NickelCity Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7663125/former-buffalo-bill-coy-wire-says-group-players-ran-weekly-rewards-pool Though the Bills were at that time coached by Gregg Williams, Wire insists the "pay-for-play pool" was solely player-driven. "It wasn't a whole team thing. It was just some guys that took things too far," Wire told The Associated Press by phone Thursday. "We rewarded each other for that, and that was wrong. That was crossing the line." The league is currently investigating whether Williams, now the St. Louis Rams defensive coordinator, ran similar schemes at his previous stops, including Buffalo. Wire said no. "What happened in Buffalo was nowhere close to what has been discussed in New Orleans," he said. "The players got the pot and dished out the pot. Never at any point did coach Williams or any other coach stand up and put a bounty on any particular player." Bills CEO Russ Brandon issued a statement last weekend saying the team was unaware of any type of bounty program during Williams' tenure, and would not have tolerated it. Edited March 9, 2012 by NickelCity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) So what did our Defensive roster look like back then, and who could have been running the bounties?? London Fletcher Pat Williams Eddie Robinson Nate Clements Antoine Winfield Aaron Schobel Chidi Ahanotu Ron Edwards Keith Newman Any of those guys? Man, if I remember right, they must not have been making much from the bounties anyways... Edited March 9, 2012 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So what did our Defensive roster look like back then, and who could have been running the bounties?? London Fletcher Pat Williams Eddie Robinson Nate Clements Antoine Winfield Aaron Schobel Chidi Ahanotu Ron Edwards Keith Newman Any of those guys? Man, if I remember right, they must not have been making much from the bounties anyways... And none of them play for this team anymore while moving on to a new team and likely having the same pool. This will result in a new policy next year and hopefully Gooddell has enough sense to just pursue the Saints on this. I am not happy that Wire came out on this issue but I am more unhappy that the players did this. I remember in 8th grade we laid a big hit on a player and broke his leg. We yelled body count and other taunts. It was childish! And this is something that I did not realize until later. Our coach made is pay for it, too. Crawling up and down the field 25 times was just one or this things we did. We deserved it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnyBacker Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Coy wire needs to shut his mouth. Nobody cares what he has to say just like no one cared about him when he played in NFL. Just go away already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 If Greg Williams wasn't responsible for the bounties--- according to him, only the players were--- then why is he bringing this up now at all? Coy Wire has a book coming out--- that's all this is about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiz Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 That defense finished 27th in the league, there must have been a lot of unclaimed money. The only pain inflicted was on the Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 That defense finished 27th in the league, there must have been a lot of unclaimed money. The only pain inflicted was on the Bills fans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 If Greg Williams wasn't responsible for the bounties--- according to him, only the players were--- then why is he bringing this up now at all? Coy Wire has a book coming out--- that's all this is about. Seriously? I'm sure the world is waiting with baited breath. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) How much did Troy Vincent get for breaking JP Losman's leg in camp? PTR Edited March 9, 2012 by PromoTheRobot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDD Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So what did our Defensive roster look like back then, and who could have been running the bounties?? London Fletcher Pat Williams Eddie Robinson Nate Clements Antoine Winfield Aaron Schobel Chidi Ahanotu Ron Edwards Keith Newman Any of those guys? Man, if I remember right, they must not have been making much from the bounties anyways... Chad Pennington had a bounty out on Eddie Robinson and boy did he get paid. How much did Troy Vincent get for breaking JP Losman's leg in camp? PTR A free pass to not pick-up garbage in downtown Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Seriously? I'm sure the world is waiting with baited breath. It's called: "Change Your Mind: 10 Unconventional Secrets to Retrain Your Brain" It was referred to in Tim Graham's Buffalo News article a few days ago, in which he explicitly contradicts what is reported in the above ESPN article concerning whether or not Gregg Williams was involved in the bounty rewards: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece Edited March 9, 2012 by Punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattM Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 If Greg Williams wasn't responsible for the bounties--- according to him, only the players were--- then why is he bringing this up now at all? Coy Wire has a book coming out--- that's all this is about. That's what I'm starting to think, too. Either that, or Coy needs the attention now that he's no longer in the NFL.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Coy wire needs to shut his mouth. Nobody cares what he has to say just like no one cared about him when he played in NFL. Just go away already. saying from the old neighborhood.....snitches get stitches Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hater Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 This Bounty Gate has been blown out proportion, if there wasn't money involved the NFL wouldn't care, What was Al Davis Line "the other teams QB must go down & go down Hard", how much money did the NFL make of of those Hardest Hits videos, they advertise the violence you never see greatest TD runs videos the NFL knew this was going on, it has for decades, Buddy Ryan, Jerry Glanville, Jimmy Johnson to name a few had bounty system, do fans care about this Hell No but the media got to have a story to go on about I hate Greg Williams, the minute he was named Bills coach I hated him but to suspend him for a year for a bounty system & you slapped the wrist of Belichick for cheating now thats a HUGE PILE of BS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Wire needs 10 unconventional kicks to the head for his attempt to steal the spotlight for publicity. If he was so conlicted or guilty, he hasn't breathed a word about it until his complely unrelated book came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Bill Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Wire needs 10 unconventional kicks to the head for his attempt to steal the spotlight for publicity. If he was so conlicted or guilty, he hasn't breathed a word about it until his complely unrelated book came out. Wire was a sucky kind of guy when he was here....into meditation etc. Remember when Williams told the press that we would get to the QB by using numbers....we never suspected it was dollars not players hahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramius Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So along with being a crappy player, Wire's also a rat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Santana Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Coy Wire is a snitch, this is just totally pointless. Is he that hard up for publicity? does he need a hug and a passifier? It's just hard to understand why he's being so persistent with this, I really don't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I actually remember the pool for positive plays being publicized. This was around the time that the bills hadn't had a pick in like 30 games, and there was a pool for who got the first pick. Talk about pitiful. Btw, how much do you want to bet wire is plain wrong about the bounties in buffalo? Sounds like he was a rookie who overheard and misconstrued stuff. There's a big difference, for example, having a pool for big hits and having one for intentionally injuring players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Wow. "snitch" and "rat" ... really? The real dirtbags are the ones who participated in these actions over the years for all teams. But you don't care why, because this one is the Bills? You make me sick. I strongly suspect this is a non-story anyway. I would be willing to bet there isn't a team in the NFL where this didn't go on at one point. And probably, up until now anyway, was still going on for a lot of the teams. Not the entire team or even the entire defense, just a subset of players. It is a very violent game played by very violent people who for the most part are not the sharpest tools in the shed, and are paid well. If anyone who has followed the game at all is shocked that things like this have been going on then I am stunned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Idk if I would go so far as to call him a snitch and a rat, but he's definitely looking for attention, seeing as 2 of the main articles on ESPN are about him. Either that or ESPN is looking to glorify him and the entire situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Idk if I would go so far as to call him a snitch and a rat, but he's definitely looking for attention, seeing as 2 of the main articles on ESPN are about him. Either that or ESPN is looking to glorify him and the entire situation. A media outlet trying to manufacture interest, particularly during an offseason, noooooooooooo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) This Bounty Gate has been blown out proportion, if there wasn't money involved the NFL wouldn't care, What was Al Davis Line "the other teams QB must go down & go down Hard", how much money did the NFL make of of those Hardest Hits videos, they advertise the violence you never see greatest TD runs videos the NFL knew this was going on, it has for decades, Buddy Ryan, Jerry Glanville, Jimmy Johnson to name a few had bounty system, do fans care about this Hell No but the media got to have a story to go on about I hate Greg Williams, the minute he was named Bills coach I hated him but to suspend him for a year for a bounty system & you slapped the wrist of Belichick for cheating now thats a HUGE PILE of BS I couldn't agree more. I can't believe how many people here are taking the opportunity to revel in there faux 'outrage' over this story. Do people honestly think this is a unique situation or that bounties haven't been put on opponents -- formally or informally -- since the dawn of football? Gimmie a break; I remember hearing bounty rumors back in high school. As for the NFL scapegoating Williams, that's exactly right. That's our society now -- once the media decides to paint something as negative, someone needs to be held up as the bad guy to protect the system. Edited March 9, 2012 by KD in CT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 It's just Coy being coy. PTR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 A media outlet trying to manufacture interest, particularly during an offseason, noooooooooooo obviously that never happens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 A media outlet trying to manufacture interest, particularly during an offseason, noooooooooooo well, he does have a new book coming out soon (atleast i think i heard this coupled with his name coming up in this mess) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coy-Wire Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 OK - I have had just about enough of this. Do you bitches even know of what you speak? Imma bout to put a bounty on the next mutha f**ka that does not refer to me as Mr. Wire or Former AFC Special Teams Player of the Week. I went to Stanford - show some damn respect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danny Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 OK - I have had just about enough of this. Do you bitches even know of what you speak? Imma bout to put a bounty on the next mutha f**ka that does not refer to me as Mr. Wire or Former AFC Special Teams Player of the Week. I went to Stanford - show some damn respect. Now THAT was funny. Well played... ...Mr Wire! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) In think what people are missing is that even though Williams didn't stand up and publicly announce bounties in the locker room (which would have been really stupid), he could have still influenced the (alleged) "players only" pool for bounties by pulling a few key players aside and influencing it that way (letting it take it's course as a 'players only' thing from there - with plausible deniability on his direct role). His tennesee buddy Eddie Robinson would be suspect number one as far as I'm concerned. Jerry Gray also came over from Tenn. Did he not? I'm actually surprised I haven't seen anything come out with any connection to his previous time in Tenn. It seems to me there would be a good chance he started all this there as DC. Oh - and by the way, just for old times - Coy Wire Sucks. IMO one of the worst position players to ever wear a Bills uniform. Was there a bounty program for jumping out of pools? Edited March 9, 2012 by stevewin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 In think what people are missing is that even though Williams didn't stand up and publicly announce bounties in the locker room (which would have been really stupid), he could have still influenced the (alleged) "players only" pool for bounties by pulling a few key players aside and influencing it that way (letting it take it's course as a 'players only' thing from there - with plausible deniability on his direct role). His tennesee buddy Eddie Robinson would be suspect number one as far as I'm concerned. Jerry Gray also came over from Tenn. Did he not? I'm actually surprised I haven't seen anything come out with any connection to his previous time in Tenn. It seems to me there would be a good chance he started all this there as DC. Oh - and by the way, just for old times - Coy Wire Sucks. IMO one of the worst position players to ever wear a Bills uniform. Was there a bounty program for jumping out of pools? right now you also have to remember some of these guys are willing to admit stuff was going on but dont want to expose themselves to too much in the way of either backlash or punishment. For Coy he admits a very minor version of whats been alleged, gets his name out there, but doesnt throw people too far under the bus still and really doesnt open himself up to any tax issues even (with payment coming from the actual team). im not a tax expert by any means but wouldnt this constitute small bets that wouldnt be declared as income as opposed to a bonus coming from an employer? it could be a subtle but HUGE difference in what guys are willing to say publicly about all this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delete This Account Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) It's called: "Change Your Mind: 10 Unconventional Secrets to Retrain Your Brain" It was referred to in Tim Graham's Buffalo News article a few days ago, in which he explicitly contradicts what is reported in the above ESPN article concerning whether or not Gregg Williams was involved in the bounty rewards: http://www.buffalonews.com/sports/bills-nfl/article747663.ece uhhh, that's not an ESPN article. it's an AP story posted on the ESPN website. also, the reason this is a story is because the NFL is investigating whether Williams ran bounties with any of his former teams. as for using bounties, the way it was described with the Saints, it crosses the line in making the NFL a bloodsport. as numerous players have told me, there is enough violence in football to create injuries without anyone needing to actually target hurting a specific player. bounties take the bretheren out of brotherhood and good sportsmanship, and make the game look more like it's video cousin than real life. to target someone's livelihood in such a vicious manner is wrong. Wire admits and regrets playing a part in that, even though his hit on James Stewart was legal and he was never "rewarded" for it. nothing wrong with having a conscience and owning up to it, even if it's after the fact, book or no book. jw Edited March 9, 2012 by john wawrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 So what did our Defensive roster look like back then, and who could have been running the bounties?? London Fletcher Pat Williams Eddie Robinson Nate Clements Antoine Winfield Aaron Schobel Chidi Ahanotu Ron Edwards Keith Newman Any of those guys? Man, if I remember right, they must not have been making much from the bounties anyways... Eddie Robinson should have donated a game check for getting juked like that by Pennington Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsSD Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Per tweets from Tim Graham it looks like Coy has been changing his story. IMO he is trying to use up his last 15 seconds of fame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeMonkey Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Per tweets from Tim Graham it looks like Coy has been changing his story. IMO he is trying to use up his last 15 seconds of fame. Wires lawyer probably called him and said "WTF are you doing?????" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coy-Wire Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Per tweets from Tim Graham it looks like Coy has been changing his story. IMO he is trying to use up his last 15 seconds of fame. I just put a bounty on Tim Graham's ass. The only story that he will be changin is his diapers. The C to the O to the Y spells PAIN bitches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Eddie Robinson should have donated a game check for getting juked like that by Pennington That is, unfortunately, one of my most vivid and unforgettable memories of the Bills. Luckily, I have many other memories from 1989-1997 as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hammered a Lot Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I just put a bounty on Tim Graham's ass. The only story that he will be changin is his diapers. The C to the O to the Y spells PAIN bitches. I see on the web (twitter)that beside being a soul child you claim to be a part time ninja. Have you gone to full time ninja statis? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coy-Wire Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I see on the web (twitter)that beside being a soul child you claim to be a part time ninja. Have you gone to full time ninja statis? If by full time ninja you mean lover of mediocre looking women, well, you be the judge of dat sh*t. http://fashionado.net/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Low_RP_1277-478x318.jpg Edited March 9, 2012 by Coy-Wire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LynchMob23 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 If his backpedal on the field matched his stories, he'd be an all-pro still in the league. /drops mic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) uhhh, that's not an ESPN article. it's an AP story posted on the ESPN website. also, the reason this is a story is because the NFL is investigating whether Williams ran bounties with any of his former teams. as for using bounties, the way it was described with the Saints, it crosses the line in making the NFL a bloodsport. as numerous players have told me, there is enough violence in football to create injuries without anyone needing to actually target hurting a specific player. bounties take the bretheren out of brotherhood and good sportsmanship, and make the game look more like it's video cousin than real life. to target someone's livelihood in such a vicious manner is wrong. Wire admits and regrets playing a part in that, even though his hit on James Stewart was legal and he was never "rewarded" for it. nothing wrong with having a conscience and owning up to it, even if it's after the fact, book or no book. jw I'm not questioning why bounties in the NFL are a story--- I'm wondering if Coy Wire is contradicting his original story in less than a week, to the point where he is denying Gregg Williams ever condoned or encouraged bounties of any kind, to draw attention to his forthcoming book. Did he not specifically state that there were monetary rewards for such hits in Tim Graham's original piece? And now he's backing off of that claim? If he now insists Gregg Williams was not involved then why did he come forward in the first place? I didn't click on the click in the OP, I only noted it is directed from ESPN.com. I'm not trying to deny the Associated Press it's credit. Per tweets from Tim Graham it looks like Coy has been changing his story. IMO he is trying to use up his last 15 seconds of fame. This is what I'm getting at. Edited March 9, 2012 by Punch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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