Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I've wondered if the reason they kept Crossman was because the guy they really wanted had one year remaining on his contract, barring spectacular play, Crossman will be gone after this season.

I've read the article twice. It doesn't say that at all. I even went and looked on about another 10 links and no where does it state the team is required/forced to sign him. It doesn't state they are NOT required, but doesn't state they are required either. All of the links are stated in language that assumes the team wants the player, so the team "gets him"

Friends with him or he played for him?? There's a big difference, but I get it, the "friends" part fits your narrative better.

So what exactly is normal. Do you have any statistics to show when a new coach and GM take over, what percentage of players on average remain? But would also have to determine the quality of the players inherited too which is pretty much impossible to compare. From what is posted pretty much all the complaints center around Vlad being here and that they cut the backup running back who two months ago everyone was posting how screwed we were for letting Mike G leave and now are stuck with Williams as the backup.

Well that's good as I live dead center on the coast where it's showing making landfall. That being said, as many here stated, Charlotte is way inland and the game is a week later.

I sense Pegs isn't the type of owner that is impatient and wants immediate results or will change course like in Washington, or Cleveland. But he also realized he made a big mistake with Rex so made a quick move to fix it. And he may have also leaned from that to not have a coach and GM that aren't both on the same page, so he also moved on from DW. I really believe they will get at least four years (of the five they are signed to) to show they are going in the right direction. With all the draft picks they have next year, can certainly see by year 3 of their tenure should see improvement and in year 4 should be solid. They also seem to have the front office in place to find talent.

The other thing Yates has going against him is that his salary for the entire season is guaranteed if on roster opening day. But the one thing in his favor is TT is also out right now. My guess is Yates will be on the roster today, but IF TT isready for next weeks game, Yates may be cut on Friday or so.

Yup you're right, what does a guy who does this full time as a living know compared to and internet poster like yourself!

I think the fact that you have a coach and GM who are tied together also is a big plus, (inspite or what some people may argue they aren't in sync) I don't think Whaley was in favor of either Rex or Marrone, but they were brought here. In spite of how much Whaley to his credit tried to sign the guys Rex may want, if he truly doesn't believe in the guy Rex wants he may not go as far to sign him, feels he's just not worth the money he wants, etc and doesn't sign him. I'd be surprised to see much of that going forward between these two.

Seems I recall last year during the pre-season the O-line was playing just as bad and everyone was in a panic then too, then the regular season started and everything was fine. Guess I'll wait till the regular season starts before I worry about it again.

Just when you think people can't get any dumber, something always comes along and surprises you!

I expect they will sign someone to play this Thursday game as won't want to risk your only healthy QB who somewhat knows the system to also get hurt. Whomever that might be will likely be cut prior to the 1st game assuming either TT or Yates is healthy. If neither is still healthy you keep the new guy, however that may mean you only sign a guy who doesn't fall under the "vet" rules where his full years salary is guaranteed if on the roster opening day.

I think Sammy will have a pretty good to great year as most guys in contract years all of a sudden play through the little nicks that has kept him out the past few seasons. But once he gets that big new contract, reverts back to his old self. So yes am happy with the trade but expect a big year from Sammy and the board will be flooded with all the people who were against the trade saying "see how dumb the Bills are again" But in three years or so when he's below average, won't hear a word from them.

I've got tickets will be going

That's not the worst thing either. Assuming you're correct, next spring they trade a couple more stars, or if nothing else cut them. Let Peterman play next year, you have six top three round picks, start them all, they get a year under their belt and you could again have a top pick and take the QB then. At least you'd have some potential top players with a years experience under their belt too, plus guys from this year with 2 years playing time. I don't think it's the worst idea to first get the players around the QB, then get the QB. Seems to work better that way. See Seattle, Dallas, Tenn.

From what I recall TT looked about the same last year in pre-season in fact I recall the O-line also looked completely lost. Once the season started , while the offense wasn't great, they weren't as anywhere near as bad as they looked pre-season. I'm sure he's told no scrambling and the defense senses that too so much easier to stop him.

Didn't a similar thing happen a few years back with some other player? Pre-season started the other guy to send a message to the stronger player. Basically you need to wake up! When the live bullets started flying, the regular guy was in there.

It seems last year in pre-season I recall the same identical issues, TT looked terrible, O-line was terrible. Then a funny thing happened the regular season started, and while the offense wasn't the next coming of the Greatest Show on Turf, they played respectable. I do think TT's strengths (his legs) are taken out of the pre-season so makes him look much worse, no blocking schemes attempted. If they look like this Oct 1st, then time to worry.

That was the same deal that I got. Probably could have called back again to get something better, but decided not worth the hassle either. Am curious, do you have any movie packages , etc or other extras, as often heard they will give you more credits the higher your normal bill is. My regular credits just expired so I need call back and get something off normal bill.

More like they see what fits their own personal point.

What do you do, take a highlighter and just highlight the words that fit your narrative, then string them into a sentence to fit your point. Explain to me where the article said Beane made the trade without the coaches knowledge. Amazing how you can come to the conclusion you did based on what was stated. But I understand that's what most do these days to prove they are right. As they say don't let facts get in the way of your point.

The Bills have a new coaching staff, new front office, but one thing remains the same over the past few years and that's the training staff. For all we know they may have given Beane and McD an earful about Sammy always being hurt. You can argue about how good this training staff is or not, but one thing they do have is many years experience and it may be that based on that they can tell when you have a guy who's always complaining about some little boo boo and not one to suck it up. That may have been enough to convince Beane that no matter how well Watkins played this season (and likely being a contract year, the boo boos will go away much faster) he wasn't worth a long term deal as likely once he has the LT deal the number of visits to the training staff will be in direct proportion to the millions he signs for.

And got a receiver back who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. Sammy certainly has more potential, but to date hasn't shown it. Yes and got two players back in return, one who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. So you expect McDermott to say back in the spring, "We don't care about winning now, we're going for 2018 and beyond?" It amazes me here how everyone takes everything coaches/GM's, Owners even players say at 100% truth. No one in that position is going to tell you exactly what their thoughts truly are. They are going to tell you want they want you to hear and nothing more or less.

Could be every day, they'd here comments form Sammy like "Yeah the foot is still bothering me a little bit, but I'm fine to go" Made them realize he's always going to be a question mark and yes you could franchise him and sign him long term. But once he has the deal, will the foot then bother him more. Maybe they felt he wasn't one to play through pain much?? Kind of ironic on a way we traded a guy with a bad foot for a guy with a bad foot!

If they are fantastic prospects, they'd be taking a huge risk in not coming out as more chance they'd regress than have another great year. Players always say how they are stayting until around Jan 10th or so. Then when reality hits, they leave. Will they all come out, maybe not, but doubt they'd all return too. One of the big problems though... None of the top QB prospects are going to be seniors.Sam Darnold is a Sophomore. Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson are Juniors. This means some or all of them could return to school, even if they turn out to be fantastic prospects.