Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Wow, you must really be interested to see how much discussion my take has got here and compared it to others. And actually most of the discussion has been solely by you. Seems like I hit a nerve here with you accusing other posters of being clueless WRT player evaluations. For someone to be so upset about my take on this, I guess I hit too close to home.

I'm not trying to shout anything down. For all I know Coleman could be a bust, like I said the odds are against him as they are pretty much against everyone. I'm just pointing out the stupidity of all the posters here who think they can tell when a player is going to be a bust or be great, as the reality is we all know very little. There's too many people here who think they are the smartest guy in the room when it comes to player evaluations. I know I'm not as are almost everyone else here.

Yeah I'll watch off an illegal stream as never had any issues with them. I've actually seed the quality better there than on legal streams. Or spoof IP address to Buffalo. Haven't tried that in a couple of years.

By my account there are 9 games either night or 4:25 start that would be on national TV, plus may get a couple of 1:00 games shown in your area, so probably paying for more like 5 games. I'm in same boat. I'm in the same boat, besides the Bills games, there was maybe a handful of other games I watched, but if they weren't available and didn't see them, wouldn't be a big difference so not going to likely pay for it to watch so few games. Give me the discount like you're giving new subs or at least $100 off and I'll likely take it.

Yes I was exaggerating when I stated everyone wants him gone. But there were certainly a number of threads about him and seemed as soon as one thread would fall off the first page or so, a new one would start up. The point is still valid in that a large number of posters think their evaluation of a player after one or two years is gospel and they are smarter about these things than the people who do this for a living. This isn't about criticism, this is about people who here all think they are the smartest guy in the room when in reality we're all pretty stupid about these things, but some will go to great lengths to prove they are right. And yes I totally agree with you about half of first round picks don't get a 2nd contract so if you claim every player sucks, you'd be right much more than being wrong. So it's easy to look smart and say this play won't succeed. Does that mean the front office folks are dumber than the posters here. And if they don't know, then how can anyone here know more? Reading your responses here and how much you seem to be taking issue with this, I can't help but think of that quote from very long ago : "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

And there's a vocal minority that wants to write off Coleman too, or maybe it's a majority. The point of my post is that whether you're the 1st overall pick or the 256 pick, people here think they know much more than they do. And regardless of if you're the long snapper or the QB, again posters here for the most part know very little compared to people who do this for a living and are quick to jump on someone as a bust or the greatest thing since sliced bread.

Yup just like Brown's 2nd year and wasn't very good. Need to dump him everyone here said. What a mistake by Beane. Oh wait!

Don't disagree with you but Camarda also only had a 35.5-yard net average last season on punts, 2nd worst in the league. Maybe that was fluke last year., who knows??

After reading this article in todays BN, I'm rooting for Robbins to win the job. I kind of like his story better and he may have more upside IMO https://buffalonews.com/sports/professional/nfl/bills/article_35521228-014e-4b81-9533-fc5a8978417b.html

Yeah ask the RB (can't recall the name ) who tore his ACL on a jet ski 2 summers ago. And if I remember right he wasn't even moving at the time?

I guess it's just taking the G in Greg and adding it to the first few letters of his last name pronounced as Roo Put them together, you have Groot and where the "T" at the end comes from, not sure?? First time I read it, I wondered who they were talking about too.

Agree, but have to consider what is expected. Recall reading something a few months back talking about Groot. Basically it stated Groot has been been good, not great, but about what you'd expect for a player drafted around #30 overall. Not look at AJ and he was drafted late in the 2nd round, #54, so maybe he too is doing about what realistically can be expected. The problem is rarely do the words realistic and this message board go together. The average career of players drafted in round 2 is only 3.3 years so AJ has exceeded that. Also read that only around 20% of all NFL drafted players have careers considered to be good or excellent. What's it all mean. Well from what many posters write, if any players drafted in 1st 3 rounds don't become stars, Beane failed. But when you consider stats like this, he's not doing too bad, infact when you look at the Bills overall record over the past 5 to 6 years, he's doing very very good. Certainly having Josh Allen helps a lot, but it's not all because of Allen either

I suppose too the reason he's showed up is his agent and Bills have been talking and are very close to a deal and Cook and Sean all know it. Maybe will be announced by the end of the week, or not? Oh wow, I reached 10K posts. I guess my Hallmark card is in the mail.

And lost two, Miller and Smoot and one is suspended for 6 games. I wouldn't be shocked if AJ gets traded after the 6 week suspension is over assuming Solomon and Jackson look halfway decent and Bosa stays healthy.

I'm waiting for them to offer a $100 discount like they have the past two years. If they don't not sure I will bother with ST as think I counted at least 9 games are either at night, or 4:25 start carried across the country. One week I will be in Myrtle Beach and can go to the Anchor Bar location there to watch. Was down there last year on the Monday night they played Jax. Place was full of Bills fans. Good chance a couple other games may be carried by local CBS station. I watch a handful of other games, but mostly just for the Bills so without the discount might not bother. For the handful of games left, there's other ways to watch.

I believe to the price listed for ST is the stand alone without YTTV. If you have YTTV, St is around $100 less. Plus if you live in Buffalo, the games shown on Prime, Netflix, and Peacock will be available on local TV But you do need something like at a minimum an antenna to watch the local networks

Eat light and drink heavy That worked better 40 years ago when most expenses were all cash.

I don't think it's that these players shortcut things, just that there's a big difference between being at all the team practices, mini camps, etc compared to "working out on your own". They don't realize it, or not intentionally doing things different, but just see too many of them get hurt after holdouts.

My fear is too often when these guys sit out, then they finally show and get hurt real quick. So how much will he help if he's hurt and then leaves in the off season anyway.

Barkley, Elliott, Henry had a resume they could use to justify the big $$. Cook has one year with a huge number of TD's, that's really about it. I wouldn't be totally shocked if Cook doesn't show up next week Beane tries to trade him. Recall the story from the 1960's with Vince Lombardi. Agents for players was more the exception than the rule. One of the Packers goes into Lombardi's office with his new agent. Vince says give me a a couple minutes, walks back in 15 minutes later and tells the player, he can't help him with a new contract as he's just been traded.

Are there OTA's this coming week, I thought the next round was mandatory mini-camp? Whenever he does show up he may look a bit tired. Actually thinking about it some more, now that he's married, less reason to be tired.

Maybe it's changed twice? Back in the 70's open bar was the norm? Then late 80s hit, DWI laws got tough, religion as you said frowned on it so they went away, but now more common again??

I got married in the 70's and had an open bar and most other wedding I heard about were all open bars and not talking rich elite people here either. Maybe depended on location, I'm referring to NYC area??

Yeah Bishop, Rapp, and Hancock are locks so leave 1 to 1.5 slots. I say 1.5 as again would give the edge to Lewis in that he can play other positions besides safety so may keep 4 plus Lewis. So then comes down to Hamlin and Forrest and agree with you in that the team like Hamlin and he knows the system very well. He's physically limited, but doesn't make mistakes. I do somewhat like the NBA process better in the the draft comes prior to free agency in that would the Bills even have bothered signing both Hamlin and Forrest if they knew they were drafting Hancock. Same on the D line, have a glut of bodies. And while it's easy to cut some of these vets, there is still wasted signing bonus money that goes against the cap. Plus from the players standpoint, wonder if players like Forrest and the two D lineman who have the 6 game suspensions would have signed here if they knew the Bills were planning to draft 3 D lineman?

OK I'll go three years and maybe not most beloved, but probably most impactful, Byrce Paup. That was one very good defense he was the center of. When I looked it up I was surprised to read he was here for three years, I thought it was less. Don't recall why he left, was he a FA after 3 years? That was the last year he made the pro bowl here in Buffalo so they had his best years.