Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

Sure and Carr could have done as well as his brother. And Watson could be another Ryan Leaf. In fact he still may be, 6 games doesn't exactly define a career. So yeah you can get guys without having the #1 overall pick, but they could just as easily be a bust. No one knows. And how was picking Carr or Watson any different than the picks of Losman and EJ? They just didn't work out, but in foresight (as opposed to hindsight) they were just as good of a pick. Maybe slightly higher than they should have went, but not by a huge amount.

Since 2000 the Bills have signed Rob Johnson, Flutie, Bledsoe, Fitz, to name most but not all drafted Losman, Edwards, Manual. They've tried many different things and none have worked out well. Does that mean they have terrible scouts? Yup I guess you're right, but if bad scouting is based on drafting QB's then just about every team in the league has terrible scouting . Which was what Kelly's point was. If it's so easy to find these gems, teams with good scouts would have drafted multiple good ones. But it's not it's mostly just luck. Some years having the #1 overall pick might yield a good one, some years that doesn't even help. Then there's the cry you'll here from some "If Beane" can't find a franchise QB, then he needs to be fired" Then we can bring in some assistant GM from some other team who has failed at drafting QB's.

I'd like to see them resign him, but agree too much like Jones and Jones will probably be much cheaper. If he finds he's not getting what he thinks, maybe they will . think WR will be interesting overall in the off-season. what do the Giants do with OBJ, Sammy?? These are two big names who expect real big $$, but OBJ has just had way too many off field things going on, and Sammy even with a very good QB looks average. (unless this past week is a big sign of things to come.

We should bring this thread back in April when next years schedule comes out and right away there will be a ten page long thread talking about how much tougher of a schedule we have for the upcoming season. And will be tough to duplicate last seasons win total.

I feel good about this game for two big reasons. The Bills are home, see there's a high of 43 predicted for a dome team, that should help 2nd thing is NO has won 6 straight, rarely these days do teams win 7 in a row as there just isn't that big of a difference between the best team and the worst team in the league. So that I feel favors the Bills.

Think there needs to be a Tier 1A also for guys that are paid like Tier one but don't quite perform at that level, but then results in the team letting other players go to save salary. It leave the team low on talent and a QB not quite as good as Brees, Rodgers, and Brady but paid like he is.

While I agree with your logic, the problem here is everyone expected the Bills to only shoot in the 90's all year. But they came out with those great rounds, so now wonder, were they just somehow lucky all those weeks and the 90's are going to be the rule. We'll find out over the next couple of weeks. Up north you often don't play golf all winter, how often is one of your best rounds for the year the first time you play, it seems mainly because you don't tend to think as much what you're doing.

Initially I was going to agree with the "O'Leary has an awful fumble and now we need to change a rule' crowd, but after reading your reasoning about QB slides, concussions, etc. regardless of what happened last night I will agree the game has changed and maybe the rule should change to college. On the other hand the pro rule does add more excitement which I do think the NFL tends to need more than the college game does.

So what exactly was TT supposed to have done better? 29 of 40 for 285, 2 TD and 0 int. And he's a big part of us losing. I certainly don't think TT is the second coming of Brady, but we could be much worse too. This hatred of him is really laughable.

That's the problem. Most teams don't have one and never will as there just aren't very many to go around. So swapping out TT will likely just still leave us not having one, and good chance even worse off. 29/40 for 285 doesn't sound like he was the problem here with many passes to WR. Is he great, going to HOF, no but build a team around him.

While it may sound easy to do to fans, maybe these things just can't be done on these short Thursday night games?? The entire game planning is dummied down, etc. Not trying to make excuses, but it is what it is with Thursdays. And it just effects the road team much more.

Jones is like a vacuum cleaner, he just never drops anything!

IMO the 4 you mention are the only ones really completely worth the money they are paid. You mention the rest are streaky, I question if it's more a factor of many of these guys are being paid like top elite franchise QB's but can't carry a team on their own. With the big $$ they are getting not enough money left over to pay enough others to keep the team really great. Russell Wilson won on his rookie contracts, Cam just resigned the year they went to the SB. Even Rodgers only SB win was at the beginning of contract #2. Since he's made the really big $$, the Packers have more losses than wins in playoffs. The only guy to defy these rules is Brady who has taken less money than he could command. Helps when your wife makes more than you do. He's just playing for gas money!

Very difficult to do both in todays NFL with extremely limited practice time. I read the backup QB #2 guy typically get about 1/2 dozen snaps each week with the 1st stringers. #3 QB likely none. So how do you develop 2, pretty much impossible to ever figure out if they actually can play. IMO better off developing one and have a more experienced vet as the #3 like they do today with Webb

I think you're still giving the OP way to much credit. This is all about the OP needing to look smart and right. And once you come out strong about something negative that doesn't exactly pan out, the only thing you can do is keep doubling down on it as odds say at some point you'll hit on it. Couple that with other doing the same, so they can then all feed each others posts and convincing themselves they are all the smart ones. Or they are just complete trolls

You don't name names, but "reading between the lines" it appears in #2 the QB you refer to is TT. I don't hate TT, realize he has limitations, but your comment about being maligned by the national media from what I hear and see isn't really true. The only place he's maligned is right here and some of the local media.

If we were a CB yes he'd be big, but he's a WR and as WR go, that's average size, maybe slightly above but nothing special

Or could have meant they didn't really consider Sammy as knew he'd be gone by the time they even got close to picking?

Likely everytime there's a commercial break on WGR, Schoop spends the entire time laughing at how he makes these comments and the rating go through the roof as everyone is talking about his show.

Understand, Not saying Cam was better either. My point is if I were a WR and got traded to Green Bay, Pitt, NE, or New Orleans, I'd say yes I have a QB now. Others, good, but not great. Happy for the deal, but didn't understand that comment

I'm not a TT hater by any means, but this is still a stretch.

Usually hard to appeal that isn't it?

Just read the ESPN article about his arrival in Jax. Talked about how shocked he was to be traded. One thing he did say, thought was kind of funny and the reason he's now in Jax, he mentioned how he arrived in the middle of the worlds largest cocktail party. Certainly he'd be one to notice, just what he needs.

Biggest concern I see with picking up any WR/TE is the time it takes to build up a relationship with the QB. You're not likely to get good value back for him this season. Even when the Bills picked up Loften mid-early season, he didn't do all that much the 1st year. Think that may be part of the problem today with Mathews too. Think that's the position that takes the most time to jell.

A big reason we don't throw much to WR is they aren't strong enough to scare the opposing defense. Put a guy like Hilton out there with Mathews and a combo of Jones, Holmes, and can't recall the guy who had 100 yards last weeks and defenses will need to start paying more attention.