Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

I think the fact that you have a coach and GM who are tied together also is a big plus, (inspite or what some people may argue they aren't in sync) I don't think Whaley was in favor of either Rex or Marrone, but they were brought here. In spite of how much Whaley to his credit tried to sign the guys Rex may want, if he truly doesn't believe in the guy Rex wants he may not go as far to sign him, feels he's just not worth the money he wants, etc and doesn't sign him. I'd be surprised to see much of that going forward between these two.

Seems I recall last year during the pre-season the O-line was playing just as bad and everyone was in a panic then too, then the regular season started and everything was fine. Guess I'll wait till the regular season starts before I worry about it again.

Just when you think people can't get any dumber, something always comes along and surprises you!

I expect they will sign someone to play this Thursday game as won't want to risk your only healthy QB who somewhat knows the system to also get hurt. Whomever that might be will likely be cut prior to the 1st game assuming either TT or Yates is healthy. If neither is still healthy you keep the new guy, however that may mean you only sign a guy who doesn't fall under the "vet" rules where his full years salary is guaranteed if on the roster opening day.

I think Sammy will have a pretty good to great year as most guys in contract years all of a sudden play through the little nicks that has kept him out the past few seasons. But once he gets that big new contract, reverts back to his old self. So yes am happy with the trade but expect a big year from Sammy and the board will be flooded with all the people who were against the trade saying "see how dumb the Bills are again" But in three years or so when he's below average, won't hear a word from them.

I've got tickets will be going

That's not the worst thing either. Assuming you're correct, next spring they trade a couple more stars, or if nothing else cut them. Let Peterman play next year, you have six top three round picks, start them all, they get a year under their belt and you could again have a top pick and take the QB then. At least you'd have some potential top players with a years experience under their belt too, plus guys from this year with 2 years playing time. I don't think it's the worst idea to first get the players around the QB, then get the QB. Seems to work better that way. See Seattle, Dallas, Tenn.

From what I recall TT looked about the same last year in pre-season in fact I recall the O-line also looked completely lost. Once the season started , while the offense wasn't great, they weren't as anywhere near as bad as they looked pre-season. I'm sure he's told no scrambling and the defense senses that too so much easier to stop him.

Didn't a similar thing happen a few years back with some other player? Pre-season started the other guy to send a message to the stronger player. Basically you need to wake up! When the live bullets started flying, the regular guy was in there.

It seems last year in pre-season I recall the same identical issues, TT looked terrible, O-line was terrible. Then a funny thing happened the regular season started, and while the offense wasn't the next coming of the Greatest Show on Turf, they played respectable. I do think TT's strengths (his legs) are taken out of the pre-season so makes him look much worse, no blocking schemes attempted. If they look like this Oct 1st, then time to worry.

That was the same deal that I got. Probably could have called back again to get something better, but decided not worth the hassle either. Am curious, do you have any movie packages , etc or other extras, as often heard they will give you more credits the higher your normal bill is. My regular credits just expired so I need call back and get something off normal bill.

More like they see what fits their own personal point.

What do you do, take a highlighter and just highlight the words that fit your narrative, then string them into a sentence to fit your point. Explain to me where the article said Beane made the trade without the coaches knowledge. Amazing how you can come to the conclusion you did based on what was stated. But I understand that's what most do these days to prove they are right. As they say don't let facts get in the way of your point.

The Bills have a new coaching staff, new front office, but one thing remains the same over the past few years and that's the training staff. For all we know they may have given Beane and McD an earful about Sammy always being hurt. You can argue about how good this training staff is or not, but one thing they do have is many years experience and it may be that based on that they can tell when you have a guy who's always complaining about some little boo boo and not one to suck it up. That may have been enough to convince Beane that no matter how well Watkins played this season (and likely being a contract year, the boo boos will go away much faster) he wasn't worth a long term deal as likely once he has the LT deal the number of visits to the training staff will be in direct proportion to the millions he signs for.

And got a receiver back who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. Sammy certainly has more potential, but to date hasn't shown it. Yes and got two players back in return, one who's put up better numbers than Sammy has. So you expect McDermott to say back in the spring, "We don't care about winning now, we're going for 2018 and beyond?" It amazes me here how everyone takes everything coaches/GM's, Owners even players say at 100% truth. No one in that position is going to tell you exactly what their thoughts truly are. They are going to tell you want they want you to hear and nothing more or less.

Could be every day, they'd here comments form Sammy like "Yeah the foot is still bothering me a little bit, but I'm fine to go" Made them realize he's always going to be a question mark and yes you could franchise him and sign him long term. But once he has the deal, will the foot then bother him more. Maybe they felt he wasn't one to play through pain much?? Kind of ironic on a way we traded a guy with a bad foot for a guy with a bad foot!

If they are fantastic prospects, they'd be taking a huge risk in not coming out as more chance they'd regress than have another great year. Players always say how they are stayting until around Jan 10th or so. Then when reality hits, they leave. Will they all come out, maybe not, but doubt they'd all return too. One of the big problems though... None of the top QB prospects are going to be seniors.Sam Darnold is a Sophomore. Josh Allen, Josh Rosen and Lamar Jackson are Juniors. This means some or all of them could return to school, even if they turn out to be fantastic prospects.

Got to make the Jets a bit nervous as they see the stock pile of picks we have that could allow us to jump over them. As has been pointed out, other teams above may not trade, but having the ammo still helps alot and the Jets don't have it. Unless the Bills do much better than some are thinking and they pick much lower, its not often a team could trade up to maybe the #2 overall pick and still have a couple of top three round picks left for other players.

I'm OK with the deals, but agree with many, not top 15, maybe top 25 or so. And to put Watkins in the list of top 15 as someone else did, is based purely on potential. IMO Watkins likely will have a much better year than Matthews as somehow players who've always been nicked up somehow heal very quickly in contract years. But lets see where they are in around 2 to 3 years as once they get the new big juicy contract, his foot (or other body parts) will start hurting more from walking around with all that extra money in his wallet and may be back to where he's been with great potential, requires double teaming when healthy. But the WHEN part is the hard part.

Well the last three years, he had better stats

Wasn't Jim Kelly a trade up. We gave up the rights to Tom Cousino (sp) and got a pick, not a true trade up, but did also work out.

I also don't see them making us much worse either. Yes Sammy is a stronger WR when he plays, but that'sa big if of him making it through the entire season. Though players in contract years often surprisingly do.

He has little value. If you want to trade someone who has some value, consider McCoy instead.

Maybe they had the picks. Lets assume without the trade they had 2 #1's and their own #2. Assume they finished again with the #10 pick and KC has the 20th pick, they'd need all three picks to get up the 2nd overall pick and more to get to #1. Now they could do that and still draft three more players. And if as you say this was a bad move they may now have a lower pick which could take even less to move up With the 5th or 6th pick plus KC's pick could get them up to #2 which leaves them with 4 more picks. Yes Watkins is the much better receiver on paper, but looking at career stats shows Matthews to be better. If Sammy has a so-so year and or gets hurt again, likely the Bills would have let him go and got nothing in return. If he had a real great year, doesn't miss any games, he gets either big contract from Buffalo or gets tagged. My prediction is Watkins has a real good year as players often will play through a bit more pain in contract years. But I also think once he has the contract, he's back on the sideline again more often than not. Regardless of what Sammy does this year, the "I told you so " crowd needs to wait about 2 to 3 seasons first and lets see how he does then consistently.

In todays NFL with limited practice time, it's hard enough to get the reps to develop one QB, but you're asking them to develop two.