Ed_Formerly_of_Roch

If it does turn out to be a rebuild may mean the leash on DW is much longer than many here think or hope for.

Surprised it's not happening more. I've read/heard more than once that in the next CBA, as much noise is beign made about Roger being judge, jury, and lawyer, it likely won't change as overall not something the majority of players care about. Only the ones who get in trouble are upset by it which overall is a small number.

It doesn't help any that DW isn't a very good public speaker to come across that way without even trying, (TP is no better either IMO, Kim on the other hand is very good) Big jump between 2 and 3. Likely if you took this poll 6 months ago Bills may not have even been top 10 before the wheels again came off for Rex The only point proven here is how completely clueless you are and ignore reality to support an agenda? There's about 10 teams in the league that have true franchise QB's, the rest if you were to look closely have as gone through QB's at very little difference of an over all rate. I recall in 2010 I went back to since Kelly retired (1996 to 2010) and how many starting QB's the Bills had compared to every other team in the league (I ignored temporary injury fills in for all teams) and the Bills were no worse than many others and better than some. I do recall at that point in time Miami and the Giants both had gone through more. Which was really kind of amazing as by 2010 the Giants already have 5 years of Eli Manning which really would mean the Giants in around a nine year span went through I think it was 8 or 9. Welcome to the NFL!

I wonder what would happen if a player were to declare he's dropping out of the union? Are the players all considered employees of the NFL which is headquartered in NY and therefore under NY laws. From what I've always heard taxes are taken out of each players check which says they are an employee of the team residing in a state and under that state laws. And many states have "right to work laws" which means you can't be required to join a union. I get that there's a CBA, but would think each states laws would overrule that, specifically that you don't have to be part of a union. Wondering why we haven't seen that happen yet. Would think there are enough players in the league with very high morals who would declare that he doesn't want to be part of a union that defends wife beaters, drug users, and people who shoot people so he's leaving the union. Don't think you'd see that in the NBA, but maybe the NFL

If the head coach is developing the QB we have a problem regardless. Personally for the overall good of the team I'd rather see an offensive minded HC, but the HC has too many things to worry about over QB development. What he needs to do is put the right person in that position to make that happen, and from that standpoint, probably matters little which side of the ball he comes from. The HC needs to be the HC and only worry about that! I'd argue that may have been one of Rex's biggest faults, a defensive guy getting way too close to the inner working details of the defense. If you put an offensive guy in there to develop the QB you'd likely have the same issue again, just on the other side.

Seems like the Bills plan was to give out as little information as possible. To pull that off you have to a very sharp speaker which Whale y is not. Over the next years he could have the Bills win a Super Bowl and become great for years, but he'll still likely be a bad speaker. Problem was if you plan to be coy about things have someone speaking who can sell it. As much as everyone would have gone nuts, sending RB out there would have gone much smoother. Or even Kim as she also is a good speaker. Not sure who's worse TP or DW when it comes to speaking

Well you're right about one thing you are a fan and that's all. The problem is what is obvious to you is you and I and just about everyone else talking about this, we likely know less than about 1% of what is truly going on. So you really know nothing is the bottom line except that you are a fan which is short for fanatic! No one on this or any message board thinks logically and smart, we think and talk as fans.

Close to ownership?? Yeah maybe like Don Corleone in keep your friends close and your enemies closer! Sorry I never bought into Polian's take two years ago that he turned down the Bills as it was going to be too much of a big job. My take on it then as still is Pegula and Polian had discussions, some position was agreed to for Bill. Next thing there are reports that Polian is bringing in his son and AJ Smith and he's in charge. Think at that point Terry told him no Bill I just am bringing you in to be an advisor and give your suggestions to us and we'll think about them. So Polian turned the job down and came up with this story. Pegula is too classy of a guy to come out with what really happened. Fast forward to now and Polian is just another guy in the media with an ax to grind against the Bills and this is his way of doing it.

Did DW not really know or is he just speaking what is technically correct. More than likely he and TP discussed firing Rex at year end unless they won out, so technically no decision was made yet. They get eliminated on X-Mas Eve, likely everyone takes off for the holiday as nothing is urgent anymore. They have their phone call on Tuesday Rex asks to speak privately with TP, they do and TP fires him. He probably does know why he was fired based on prior discussions, but last Tuesday once TP told him he fired Rex he didn't ask why that day. So technically was correct in what he stated and the company line was to not air any more dirty laundry than they absolutely need to. The problem on this board and everywhere is that everyone feels it's their god given right to be told everything. Howe many times do you see rumors swirling that a company is going to have a layoff, so you ask the boss. He tells you know he doesn't know anything about it, and two days later there's a layoff. Same here DW likely knew much more than he said, from what I've seen in the past even on good days, he's not the best speaker, but was told to keep as much under wraps. Granted, if that was their plan, they should have come up with a better story to tell, but part of that problem may fall back on DW not being too good of a speaker to sell a story. They should have sent Kim out there as neither DW or TP are good at speaking where as she's a natural at it. (believe she wasn't a communications major for nothing)

Well yeah and why would Pegula or anyone connected with the Bills to go out of their way to be nice to the local guys when they've gone out of their way to ridicule them. As was stated the local media give opinion and their opinion was Pegula, Whaley, RB all are all completely incompetent.

Maybe the Bills are trying to do the guy a favor and give him more time to look at other options if they are certain they are not bringing him back Seems like I recall in the past there was a similar situation where the player knew at season end he wasn't coming back.

Considering Lynn was talked about a year ago as a potential HC leaves me less worried about it.

And they also led the league in team rushing or damm close to #1

The irony is the one win was against the Pats whom only lost two games all season! And yes I know it was without Brady, but when a team only loses two games all year, that still is pretty special.

Think we need the Cardinals and Saints to both win to improve spot. If we tie'd with Eagles not sure who'd have better pick.

Good day for the Bills, looks like someplace between #10 and #13 Not sure between them and the Eagles who'd get the better pick. Got Saints and Cardinals!

Nope that link opens but everything still greyed out. Not sure if it's something as out of area??

Just curious, is there a reason I can't listen to the pre-game on WGR? I'm out of town listener. when I go to the WGR home page I click on the listen live button in the upper RH corner, a new game opens, but everything is greyed out.

I'd prefer 6 as this gives the top two teams a 1st round bye. Most often then the top two teams would end up in the championship game, but still gives two more teams a shot.

Yes but you're overlooking the part that if he turned out to be good, it would have cost the Bills much more that it did. Yes the could have tagged him, for one year or even two, but then likely would have been paying a Brock O type contract and in two seasons that would have been maybe even 25% higher. If he had played good he would have been what the 20 highest paid QB which sounds like a good deal. The tough part is mostly everyone here wants to bring him back, but for less money and may be difficult for that to happen unless other teams show no interest. At the time the Bills agreed to the contract, it was viewed as a team friendly deal, that's part of negotiations, both sides have to give and take. The one part of this deal that kind of puts the Bills in a tough spot is if he played somewhere in the middle, good enough to want to bring back as no better options, but not great either which is what happened. But either side can rarely get everything you want in a contract.

There is a certain irony in this thread. If you recall that was what Rob Johnson did in a meaningless season finale, then he got the start the following week over Flutie in the playoff game. Not that he played bad in that game either as he walked off the field with one shoe on and the Bills leading.

Yeah I think he wants to coach and knows if he doesn't get a gig this year, he likely never will and also doesn't want to walk into a total rebuild situation so for that and some of the reasons you also mention he's not much in a position to demand total control. I also do agree with the "mission" comments you made. Actually heard a thing the other day comparing when Rex came to Bills last year as being dumped by GF and immediately going out and getting a new GF when you really should take time to decompress first, that could be a little bit like what's going on with TC. He wants to get a younger better looking GF, but considering the pickings are more limited here, he'll take anyone who'll have him. Kind of laughed a little at the John Clayton article: "Every team in need of a head coach will be hoping for some of the luck that teams like the Miami Dolphins and Oakland Raiders had" Yeah Gase has looked good so far, but what the Raiders really were getting at the time was a retread coach with a losing record after around 8 years in Jax. Could be he's another Bill B clone and learned from his mistakes or more likely he stumbled into a good QB situation in Carr so now he's a great coach. Wait to he puts the axe through someones foot again.

You're right Groy;s another one, Doubt Woods would have a trade value, but could save some money there.

Was looking at the scores of all the completed bowl games this year. Can't get over the fact that there's actually a "Motel 6" bowl game out there! If anything says there's too many bowl games being played, the fact that there's a Motel 6 bowl game says it all!!

Les reminds me alot or Rex, all bluster.