DarthICE Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 both AVP and Studesville? That is part of the problem right there. Bring in an damn good OC and you have ONE guy running the show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Great. So Deadspin was right all along. Inept offense and hermaphrodites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Ballsy if you ask me  "Ballsy," "amateurish", and "stupid" are not mutually exclusive.  And I didn't ask you.  And remember when I teased you about having a gay porn picture in your profile? Well...please don't use the friggin' "flirt" smiley with me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 both AVP and Studesville? That is part of the problem right there. Bring in an damn good OC and you have ONE guy running the show. Studesville remains in his role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Tim Graham has a recap up: http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/...o-fire-schonert  Well....AVP can't pass block or open running lanes. AVP can't stand and deliver the ball down field with anticipation so I really wonder if the firing wasn't a moot point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 "Ballsy," "amateurish", and "stupid" are not mutually exclusive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 And remember when I teased you about having a gay porn picture in your profile? Well...please don't use the friggin' "flirt" smiley with me. hey big boy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarthICE Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 "Ballsy," "amateurish", and "stupid" are not mutually exclusive. And I didn't ask you.  And remember when I teased you about having a gay porn picture in your profile? Well...please don't use the friggin' "flirt" smiley with me.  LMAO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 both AVP and Studesville? That is part of the problem right there. Bring in an damn good OC and you have ONE guy running the show. Â "Quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt will take over. Running game coordinator Eric Studesville will remain in his role." Â Seemed pretty clear to me, AVP is the guy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 both AVP and Studesville? That is part of the problem right there. Bring in an damn good OC and you have ONE guy running the show. Â Brilliant. Two guys calling plays, each from a separate set, with no one put in charge of the playcalling as a whole. Â We have uncoordinated offensive coordinators. Offensive Uncoordinators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wing Man Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 We waited for the no-huddle to get faster. We waited for Edwards to learn how to face 3-4 defenses. We waited for play calling that met the strengths of the offense. We waited for Edwards to hit wide receivers. Bye, Turk, good riddance. Â Alex Van Pelt will do better as "passing OC", whatever that means, but at the end of the season, they need to shop for a new OC. Part of Edwards' struggles falls on Van Pelt as quarterbacks coach. Altogether, we need to clean house, and that includes some underperforming players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Tim Graham has a recap up: http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/...o-fire-schonert   hmmm, contradicting reports, Tim has DJ on record as being the driving force on the dismissal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dib Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Could be worse, it could be raining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 This may actually be a situation where I trust RW's judgement. He knows more about football than Jauron. Still a completely amateurish, retarded move, though. Not in my book, Schonert was a moron who called the plays he wanted irregardless of who the QB was. I'll never forget that 49er game last season. Marshawn tearing the niners a new one with 135+ yards by the end of the 3rd QTR and Schonert tries to make JP win the game by throwing into a constant nickle / dime defense's. The 49ers didn't blitz and only rushed with 4 and dropped into coverage. Schonert panicked just the same way he used to panic when he actually played QB now and again, instead of his real job of holding a clipboard.  I just hope AVP does a better job, If not, no biggie ...because Jauron will go soon also. I can't stop day dreaming about Ralph Wilson hiring Mike Shanahan or Marty Schottenheimer, either of those two would help this offense so dramatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beerball Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Could be worse, it could be raining. Thanks Igor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABills08 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Two OC's would be a disaster on par with the GM situation. Â Regardless, I appreciate Jauron taking the blame. Though, the fact that he had to call Wilson to initiate this is beyond me if true. Ralph should have been breathing down Jauron's neck. Â Few Points after reading the quotes: Â 1) If it was in fact Jauron's call, he clearly is saving his ass. Â 2) Same schemes? If we are having Evans run out routes for the next 10 weeks not much is going to change. Â 3) Jauron is next on the hot seat with Edwards soon after... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twist_to_open Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Thats about the only guy dick was able to hide behind now that the bullets are flying.....he's definetly next and it wont be long! The bye week at the latest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I really think he is. If Ralph has his wits about him, this is a warning sign to Jauron. It also serves the purpose of having someone else handle the offense (someone who couldn't be worse). Â I still think this is a lot about the play-calling, but considering this came from Ralph, a pathetic offensive performance against the Lions probably was the last straw. "Last straw" is probably just what it was - I'm sure RW has been second-guessing the stay-of-execution he granted both Schonert AND Jauron the entire off-season, and what he saw this pre-season - starting in Canton - was the proverbial 'straw that broke the camel's back'. Â Too bad Ralph didn't follow his gut last winter. If he fired Schonert then, Jauron may have quit out of principle, and Ralph could have gotten a 2-fer - a head coach that doubles as his own offensive coordinator, namely... Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Thanks Igor. No, it's pronounced I-gor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stenbar Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I hope so too. AVP's biggest problem is that he's now going to be in permanent catch-up mode this season. If he's smart and has the guts, he'll take a coherent longer-term view and try to implement a stable offensive scheme, even if it's at the expense of the first half of the season. Given that his boss was just fired for preseason performance, though, it would take a LOT of guts to basically say "I'm going to take my time and do this right, even if it means tanking a few early games." I wouldnt think he would be in catch up mode..He did play NFL qb for a while and he knows how to breakdown film and prepare for a game.The question is gonna be how is he at setting up certain plays, knowing the perfect time to go for it all versus knowing when to hammer the ball down someones throat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erik Flowers Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I go to the bathroom for 5 minutes and this happens!!!! Holy Cr@p! (pun intended)Â I'm all for it. Agreed with others could have helped to make the move after the last year's final game. Â LOVE Alex Van Pelt! Always have.... Â GO BILLS! Â Â Get back in the bathroom and crap up a couple more firings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Was Ralph even at the game, as Schefert reported? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eMoulds Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It’s shocking that an organization with a 100 year old owner that insists on constantly interfering with day to day football operations and decisions is dysfunctional. That’s pretty much the standard recipe for success in the modern NFL; I can’t understand why it’s not working here.  HOF baby!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Could be worse, it could be raining. It's not time to drive home from work yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macaroni Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I wonder if Turk was in effect "fired" prior to the end of the Lions game ...... I haven't watched it on TV yet .... but I remember thinking towards the latter part of the game that we were taking quite a few more shots down field than normal and it seemed like somebody else was calling the plays ......... Hmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruceisloose78 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Get back in the bathroom and crap up a couple more firings! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJ1 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Chan Gailey anyone?....lmao.....and we were laughing at K.C. for doing the same thing. So we have 10 days to put a new offense in or will AVP just run Turks offense ? Â Turk's offense might be all right....but he couldn't call a game to save himself, literally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrFishfinder Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 THE COACHES ARE UNDER CONTRACT. IF RALPH FIRES THEM HE STILL HAS TO PAY THEM!!! Sorry about the caps but damn, some of you people are thick. Firing a coach isn't a cost cutting move. Schonert is going to get paid to sit home and watch games this season. This saves Ralph NOTHING! Maybe not money, but it might save Ralph some measure of embarrassment from seeing the offense play like Courtney Love was calling the plays on her first day of rehab after a 9 month propofol binge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dante Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Another cost cutting measure by Wilson? LOL don't laugh!! And the announced replacement is.............................. No one! Dick will do both jobs! With no extra compensation. He has to earn his keep somehow. It certainly isn't by being the HC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 ESPN reports Ralph Wilson the driving force in Shonerts dismissal  Hopefully this works out a little better than Ralph's decision to start RJ over Flutie in the "Music City Forward Lateral" game. I wonder what Ralph thinks about Hamdan? 9/17 163 yards is not bad ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan Trapped in Pats Land Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 LOL don't laugh!! And the announced replacement is.............................. No one! Dick will do both jobs! Hit refresh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haven Moses Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I find it funny how this has turned into a gang bang on Ralph. Â Ralph has stood by for the last 10+ years. Letting Donahoe hire Gregg, letting Gregg hire Gilbride, letting Donahoe fire Gregg, letting Donahoe hire Mullarkey, hiring Marv, letting Marv keep Mullarkey, letting Mullarkey quit, letting Marv hire Jauron, letting Jauron & Co. run their own show for the last 3 years.... Â I am thrilled that Ralph wached that POS game and decided to do something. The status quo sucks. Hopefully Ralph continues with this zero tolerance policy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I wouldnt think he would be in catch up mode..He did play NFL qb for a while and he knows how to breakdown film and prepare for a game.The question is gonna be how is he at setting up certain plays, knowing the perfect time to go for it all versus knowing when to hammer the ball down someones throat... Â It's not that easy. If my project manager were fired today and I had ten days to prepare for the $10M contract we start executing next Monday, even though I've been a project manager before and know how to do budgeting and direct a project team and helped my PM with his project plan...I'd be in catch-up mode. There's simply a difference between being the guy who's responsible, and the guy who knows a lot but ultimately isn't responsible. Â And before you point out that what I do (software development) isn't football...I already know that. Preparing and managing a football offense is a lot harder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It’s shocking that an organization with a 100 year old owner that insists on constantly interfering with day to day football operations and decisions is dysfunctional. That’s pretty much the standard recipe for success in the modern NFL; I can’t understand why it’s not working here.  HOF baby!!!  Please prove this 'constantly interfering with day to day football operations' charge you just dreamed up. Shanahan, Cowher, etc. are out there just waiting to be had by season's end, along with a real plan for success. He's not freakin AL DAVIS for God's sake!!!! Man, it is getting pretty crazy around here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddogblitz Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I wonder if Turk was in effect "fired" prior to the end of the Lions game ...... I haven't watched it on TV yet .... but I remember thinking towards the latter part of the game that we were taking quite a few more shots down field than normal and it seemed like somebody else was calling the plays ......... Hmmmmmmm  It probably wasn't the guy calling the plays, but the QB executing the plays. Hamdan was in. I'm not sure about Turk. I know he was calling plays with open receivers downfield that Trent was not throwing to. I know it's hard to tell on TV, but I was at the Clowns game last year and there were plenty of open receivers down field that were ignored by our QB. Maybe if we had a QB that didn't ignore these guys, Turk would be an offensive genius? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I find it funny how this has turned into a gang bang on Ralph. Ralph has stood by for the last 10+ years. Letting Donahoe hire Gregg, letting Gregg hire Gilbride, letting Donahoe fire Gregg, letting Donahoe hire Mullarkey, hiring Marv, letting Marv keep Mullarkey, letting Mullarkey quit, letting Marv hire Jauron, letting Jauron & Co. run their own show for the last 3 years....  I am thrilled that Ralph wached that POS game and decided to do something. The status quo sucks. Hopefully Ralph continues with this zero tolerance policy. yeah but DJ is still the HC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 This move was really nothing special. Ralph stays with what he knows, and costs little. He fired TD and a recycled Marv Levy was wheeled in. Now, here comes AVP. I wonder how many other NFL teams would have hired AVP as their OC? About as many that would have hired Levy as their GM? Â Anyway.....good luck Alex! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It probably wasn't the guy calling the plays, but the QB executing the plays. Hamdan was in. I'm not sure about Turk. I know he was calling plays with open receivers downfield that Trent was not throwing to. I know it's hard to tell on TV, but I was at the Clowns game last year and there were plenty of open receivers down field that were ignored by our QB. Maybe if we had a QB that didn't ignore these guys, Turk would be an offensive genius? Â Maybe he was being coached to ignore those guys? Â I'm not saying I know that's the case - I suspect it's the case, given how the past three QBs seem to learn to make the exact same mistakes. But you do have to consider the possibility, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BUFFALOTONE Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 It's not that easy. If my project manager were fired today and I had ten days to prepare for the $10M contract we start executing next Monday, even though I've been a project manager before and know how to do budgeting and direct a project team and helped my PM with his project plan...I'd be in catch-up mode. There's simply a difference between being the guy who's responsible, and the guy who knows a lot but ultimately isn't responsible. Â And before you point out that what I do (software development) isn't football...I already know that. Preparing and managing a football offense is a lot harder. Â I agree but the one thing he has to his advantage is he has been there form the beginning. Breaking down film, seeing the weakness and strengths. Granted you may be working on 2 separate projects thats have 2 entirely different goals but they have been together from the start and know where they stand. I am not saying you are going to see the early 90's offense but we will see better preparation. For gods sake we have too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dog14787 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I think DJ's interview is coming up on ESPN shortly, plus T.O. twitters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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