ChasBB Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 For me it comes down to this: Great move. Questionable timing. The offensive play calling has been by and large brutal since Schonert took over, IMO. Anything that promotes even the slightest change to that is fine by me. Just don't know why the Jauron, the F.O., whoever, couldn't have come to this conclusion a couple weeks ago. Yeah, a couple weeks ago would have been nice, but I like this a helluva lot better than a couple more weeks into the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 You right.. BUT.. And this is a big one. When Ralph passes it will 3 years or less until the Bills relocate to another city. So be very careful for what you wish for. At this point, I am willing to take that risk in exchange for the chance that a new owner might actually attempt to build a winner in Buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Wait a minute...Turk sucked but firing him is somehow worse for us? Not saying Van Pelt will be better but Turk was pretty freakin' bad. PTR You made a post awhile back about how the QB's in Buffalo seemed to regress, I agreed. The play calling at times was horrific last season. My problem with Schonert was how JP Losman was supposed to have a break out year in 07 because of how well he finished in 06. Then he really stunk it up and was replaced by Edwards. This season Edwards seems to have regressed like JP did last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobody Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Jauron is the one who decides to kick a field goal or punt on 4th down. That still is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Cocktosten Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Remember....this echoes the sentiments of many posters on this board, too. To think that it is a good idea to fire your OC and replace him with someone with ZERO experience a week before the opener is flat wrong no matter who thinks it. Turk sucks, but it's his sh*tty offense that he is turning over. So a unimaginative offense combined with an OC who has no experience is better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keepthefaith Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 1.) When DJ was retained he realized he had to do something to make this a better year.2.) He told Schonert the offense must improve drastically. 3.) Schonert came up with the no-huddle, which DJ liked. 4.) The no-huddle didn't work well in the preseason. 5.) DJ figured AVP could do better with the current offense and made this move. 6.) Russ Brandon, I think, put pressure on DJ to do something. 1 down, several more to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Maybe this is over simplifying the issue but I've always been more comfortable with OC's that have actually taken a snap in something other than high school football. Turk Schonert's bio (from Wikipedia, so could potentially be incorrect): College career As a senior quarterback at Stanford University, Schonert followed Guy Benjamin and Steve Dils, who each won the Sammy Baugh Trophy given to college football's top passer, and was backed up by freshman John Elway. Schonert finished as the school's third consecutive NCAA passing champion and set a team record for completion percentage.[3] Professional career Schonert was selected by the Chicago Bears in the ninth round of the 1980 NFL Draft but never played for the franchise. He played nine seasons with the Cincinnati Bengals, including the Super Bowl XVI and Super Bowl XXIII teams, and spent one season with the Atlanta Falcons. Schonert retired in 1989, finishing his career with 11 touchdowns, 20 interceptions and a 7-5 record as a starting quarterback.[4] Seems to be about on par with AVP's experience, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Good move Ralph.....maybe thats also a warning to Jauron?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPicc2114 Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 DJ is a defensive coach, he really does not like to get involved in the offense. So, AVP will have total control and I think he will mix up the play calling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills_fan Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 "Jauron informed his staff that he wasn’t getting what he wanted in terms of pace and being quick with the team’s no-huddle offense. He felt there was limited movement and formations with the scheme. Quarterbacks coach Alex Van Pelt will now call plays while running backs coach Eric Studesville is still the run game coordinator." OK, now I'm getting angry. Anyone remember much in the way of formations or much movement in the K-gun? Didn't think so. It was 3 WR, 1 RB and a TE. Kept it simple and quick, the D was on its heels all game. If you are going to have players moving all over the field, pre-snap, and multiple formations, you WILL lose the benefits of the no huddle. I can see lots of illegal procedure penalties in our future if this is the way DJ wants the no-huddle to run. Hopefully, AVP see this and simplifies the offense to the 15-20 plays we run best and run them over and over again. Thats the only way it can be successful. Adding a play or two a week for specific opponents can work, but only when the bread-and-butter base offense has been mastered. We have heard about execution for years, but this is not rocket science. Don't overload the players, you will see better execution on the plays you run well. I really hate having such pessimism before the season even starts! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
El Presidente Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Guess the "Turk" came for Turk! LOL!! A great joke to end the great joke that was Schonert...I think Alex will do great...he's been under center and played against our division...this is an improvement for the Bills. Pill has a clue y`all...much more than Schooner ever will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 I guess, reflecting some more about the timing issue, coordinators get fired all of the time *during* the season, and that's what would've happened had they waited. So it's not that crazy. I agree though that this should've been done at the end of last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike in Syracuse Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 You are aware that Schonert played QB for 10 years in the NFL, right? Actually, I wasn't. I'm a stupid head. I still like AVP better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lt. Dan's Revenge Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yup, but the move is much more important than the timing. Waiting until next offseason is just pulling the band aid off more slowly. Touche. Good way to look at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Yeah, a couple weeks ago would have been nice, but I like this a helluva lot better than a couple more weeks into the future. Couple of weeks ago would have been nice, yes, but end of last season - when Ralph wanted to do it - would have been even better. At least we would have had a shot at... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-Daddy Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Wanna bet that Bellicheat* has already called and asked Schonert to be an assistant?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloWings Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 A couple of things: (a) Kudos to the front office or DJ or RW for doing this move NOW. This is a very good move. (b) The timing is almost completely irrelevant; truly a non-issue. © There is a BIG difference between offensive schemes and play calling; this is about play calling. Plain and simple. (d) if you have said anything over the preseason about the poor offense or you are "sick of field goals" you HAVE to love everything about this move. If not, you are simply a negative person who is only happy if complaining. (e) The Bills show strength and conviction with this move AND a perceived element of risk taking, YET some people on here still complain. This shows heart and strength, yet some of you complain? (f) There is nothing embarrassing about getting better. This is not pathetic or desperate. This is business. How can you not love the move and get more excited about the opener? Remember AVP fully understands the no-huddle and the essence of smart play calling.... I'm not so sure about the opener....this change - if anything - intrigues me about what will happen. Before, I would probably have hoped that we were going to see something different than the preseason games, but wouldn't have been surprised if we didn't. I really don't think AVP has time to install a new scheme in 10 days, but I can see him scrapping the no-huddle. I have a feeling that the coaches realized it just wasn't working, so they can use this as an excuse to drop it. I agree that this is all about play-calling, as it was miserable last year and the preseason showed no signs of it improving (no-huddle aside). They weren't just going to hand the play-calling to the QB coach with the OC still hanging around and you know Jauron wasn't going to do it, so firing Turk seemed to be the "logical choice". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 But if he's smart, he'll also realize that he can't install a new system a week for the season starts. This would be like a group of students reading from a mildly out of date text book, then given a brand new one a week before the final exam and basing the entire semester on that. What I hope happens is that AVP is given full control of the play-calling and Jauron is out of it completely. So he's going to run the same sucky offense, without fixing any of the suckiness...and compound that with never having called a single play in it. And people think that's improvement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 According to this, the pace of the no-huddle wasn't being run quickly enough. Surprising.... If it wasn't for the sped up clock in my Madden 10 game last night I would have been getting plays off in 10-15 seconds. Sure, I lost to my buddy, playing as the Steelers at Heinze field, but Trent was able to move the ball for me and at least I put up 34 points...lost 34-35 trying for a two pointer with 22 seconds left. Go for the win, baby! If I can do it, the Bills most certainly can do it. And that, gents, is how you interject your own pathetic life into the bigger story of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Animal Posted September 4, 2009 Share Posted September 4, 2009 Wanna bet that Bellicheat* has already called and asked Schonert to be an assistant?? Why not? He should...and boy would that frost Jauron's frosty ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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