The Trade For Diggs

[Not at the table Karlos]

56 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:

Agreed.  All light, fast edge rushers, all the time. 😁

Besides Solomon what DE have they drafted that was light and fast? 

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 minutes ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Besides Solomon what DE have they drafted that was light and fast? 

A very biased hot take on my part.  I'm just here with the rest of the villagers, pitchfork and torch in hand. 😁

[Sojourner]

11 minutes ago, Pete said:

Or taking WR Justin Shorter, Puka Nakua was the next pick.  
 

Hindsight is stupid.  Bills passed on Tom Brady 6 times.  

Eh. Puka is an anomaly. He didn’t go to the combine, his pro day wasn’t great, played at BYU and was just decent, talent level they played wasn’t great as he was there before the Big-12 move for BYU. On top of that he had a serious injury history. Missed a lot of games over his 4 years of collegiate ball. 
 

The vacuum he fell into for the pro level was top notch. A team not far removed from winning the Super Bowl. A stud QB and WR in Stafford/Kupp with quality offensive coaches to boot; McVay, Zac Robinson and Yarber (who Kupp has credited to his success)

[Kirby Jackson]

It was the right move at the time and the right move with the benefit of hindsight. Can you imagine if it was Jalen Reagor instead of Justin Jefferson?!? It very easily could have been that. Diggs gave the Bills the best receiving season in franchise history, the best 4 year window in franchise history and made them the most dangerous offense in the game. He took a really, really good team and made them elite. That offense wins a Super Bowl or 2 without the defensive failings.

 

If the opportunity presents itself this offseason to trade a 1st for Tee Higgins (for example) you do it. You do it even if Carnell Tate or Jordyn Tyson or Chris Bell or whomever has a great career. You need the sure thing while your window is open.

 

As an aside (this just popped into my head so don’t crush me if it’s absurd) but what about trading Torrence + a 2nd or 3rd for Higgins? The Bills can’t possibly give another OL a huge deal. They can probably get McGovern & Edwards back for roughly the cost of extending Torrence. The Bengals would get a high end OL plus some draft capital. The Bills could plug in Anderson or Lundt or Grable or whomever at that spot. They have fantastic OL depth still. They’d get their X receiver & still have plenty of draft capital to address other needs (including a speed receiver). 

Edited 3 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[transient]

The thing I always wonder is why Beane didn’t draft the heir apparent to Diggs while he was still on the roster and his output was declining… and continues to stubbornly ignore it now. 

Edited 3 hours ago by transient

[Captain Hindsight]

26 minutes ago, Pete said:

 

Hindsight is stupid 

[BVBILLS]

The Bean/McClappy duo would have taken a DE or CB anyway.

 

One thing I do know - Diggs is a selfish, egotistical piece of ****! He put his team in a terrible position because why? He didn't get the ball enough? After getting the bag.

[SoTier]

 

51 minutes ago, Pete said:

Or taking WR Justin Shorter, Puka Nakua was the next pick.  
 

Hindsight is stupid.  Bills passed on Tom Brady 6 times.  

 

All of the teams in the NFL passed on Brady at least 5 times, including the Pats.

 

29 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

It was the right move at the time and the right move with the benefit of hindsight. Can you imagine if it was Jalen Reagor instead of Justin Jefferson?!?it very easily could have been that. Diggs gave the Bills the best receiving season in franchise history, the best 4 year window in franchise history and made them the most dangerous offense in the game. He took a really, really good team and made them elite. That offense wins a Super Bowl or 2 without the defensive failings.

 

People forget that Diggs as a veteran WR helped Allen become a significantly better QB, something that any rookie WR, no matter how great he might become, couldn't have done.   Diggs now seems to be helping Maye develop into a good/great QB as he did with Josh.

 

 

24 minutes ago, transient said:

The thing I always wonder is why Beane didn’t address the heir apparent to Diggs while he was still on the roster and Diggs output was declining… and continues to stubbornly ignore it now. 

 

I think that it was only in his last year as a Bill that Diggs morphed into a team cancer making it rather hard to plan to replace him.

Edited 2 hours ago by SoTier

[The Jokeman]

4 hours ago, Bills365 said:

To my fellow Bills fans, I think about this all the time. I am curious everyone else’s thoughts on this.

 

If we hadn’t traded our 22nd pick for Diggs Justin Jefferson falls in our lap that following year. I know this is in hindsight and Beane was trying to get us a solid weapon in which he did. Diggs was great for a few years but I can’t help but wonder how different this team would’ve been for a decade plus of Allen and Jefferson.

The problem with this thought is there's no telling that say for instance Diggs gets traded to Philly for their first and then Minnesota snaps Jefferson before us and we're stuck with Jealon Reagor or someone better and/or worse. 

Edited 14 minutes ago by The Jokeman

[transient]

Just now, SoTier said:

I think that it was only in his last year as a Bill that Diggs morphed into a team cancer making it rather hard to plan to replace him.

…maybe a better way of phrasing it would have been to say when they realized Gabe wasn’t a WR2. There were a lot of posters, myself included, pounding the table for at least a season before that to draft a cost-controlled WR with potential to be a future WR1 to slot Gabe further down the depth chart. In my opinion it wouldn’t have taken a ton of foresight to avoid the situation we’re currently in at WR, and there has been plenty of time to address it before it became urgent at the recent trade deadline. 

[JP51]

1 hour ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Who’s to say the Bills would have drafted Jefferson???

Based on Beane's record there is a very good shot we do not pick him....  so,   I get doing a redraft with hindsight you say well we woulda had... but  I would say if we did a redraft.... 15-20 other teams are probably taking him way earlier than he was picked. 

[DabillsDaBillsDaBills]

14 minutes ago, JP51 said:

Based on Beane's record there is a very good shot we do not pick him....  so,   I get doing a redraft with hindsight you say well we woulda had... but  I would say if we did a redraft.... 15-20 other teams are probably taking him way earlier than he was picked. 

 

We had the 22nd overall pick. 

 

WRs still on the board at the time:

 

Justin Jefferson (22nd)

Brandon Aiyuk (25th)

Tee Higgins (33rd)

Michael Pittman (34th)

 

WRs selected before 22nd:

Ruggs (12th)

Jeudy (15th)

Lamb (17th)

Raegor (21st) 

 

Trading up for Raegor or Ruggs would've been a disaster. Any of the other 6 WRs (on a rookie contract) are probably a better choice than trading a 1st for Diggs. 

[Royale with Cheese]

In hindsight, I should have invested all my liquid assets into Amazon 20 years ago.

[JP51]

3 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:

 

We had the 22nd overall pick. 

 

WRs still on the board at the time:

 

Justin Jefferson (22nd)

Brandon Aiyuk (25th)

Tee Higgins (33rd)

Michael Pittman (34th)

 

WRs selected before 22nd:

Ruggs (12th)

Jeudy (15th)

Lamb (17th)

Raegor (21st) 

 

Trading up for Raegor or Ruggs would've been a disaster. Any of the other 6 WRs (on a rookie contract) are probably a better choice than trading a 1st for Diggs. 

So there I will agree... that was one hell of a WR draft... I think everyone but Henry Rugs or Reagor was legit...  I am not convinced Beane doesnt take a CB or a DT though LOL 

[Ga boy]

2 hours ago, NewEra said:

I can’t help but wonder what would’ve happened if humans didn’t have feet, only legs.  Would Nike exist?

I don’t think even @Virgil can top this one!

[djp14150]

2 hours ago, Bills365 said:

To my fellow Bills fans, I think about this all the time. I am curious everyone else’s thoughts on this.

 

If we hadn’t traded our 22nd pick for Diggs Justin Jefferson falls in our lap that following year. I know this is in hindsight and Beane was trying to get us a solid weapon in which he did. Diggs was great for a few years but I can’t help but wonder how different this team would’ve been for a decade plus of Allen and Jefferson.

They needed a vet WR with money because of rookie QB contract to compete vs waiting for receiver to develop.

 

minnesota had other vet receivers to not put pressure on Jefferson.

 

don’t forget they got a 2nd for him from the Texans.

[Buffalo03]

2 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Who’s to say the Bills would have drafted Jefferson???

Exactly. Didn't the Eagles draft Jalen Reagor at WR before Justin Jefferson in that same draft? Who's to say we would wouldn't have done the same thing? And that's a Howie Roseman screw up which he doesn't have often

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Who’s to say the Bills would have drafted Jefferson???

 

 

"You can never have enough DBs!"

 

or

 

"Wait a minute...Cody Ford has a brother?!"

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by dollars 2 donuts

[BillsShredder83]

2 hours ago, Taro Nimbus said:

Who’s to say the Bills would have drafted Jefferson???

Yep, this is always a stupid premise.

 

wHaT iF wE dRafTed tOm bRaDy iN tHe 6tH iNsTeAd oF LeiF LaRsEn!!

[Freddie's Dead]

2 hours ago, LEBills said:

Other posters that claim to have some sources have said the Bills would have drafted Ted Higgins if we had retained the pick. Maybe one of them will see this post.

 

Ted?

Edited 1 hour ago by Freddie's Dead