Trade Deadline has come and gone

[todd]

1 hour ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

You’re fine with no moves for a receiver,D-tackle or secondary. You’re satisfied losing to KC 4 times in a row in the playoffs. Drafts in th last 3 years have been bad. Hairston played 1/2 the snaps in one game, Hawes is a 7th round pick and a blocking TE. He looks promising but anointing him and Hairston good  choices, maybe premature no. Walker looks good but Sanders and Turner are nowhere. 

funny! Joke posts are always welcome.

[oldmanfan]

16 minutes ago, HamptonBillsfan said:

All these great excuses for not making a deal yet Shaheed was a perfect vertical,stretch the field guy that Seattle,who have a better receiver room than us, picked off. All these 2and 7 teams and Beane couldn’t do anything? The Jets ,who are cleaning house, would have listened to offers  for Quincy Williams. Plenty of others that Beane wouldn’t pull the trigger on because giving up draft capital is out of the question. No #1 or #2 receiver on a team with Josh F-ing Allen. Pitiful. You need my opinion because all these young bucks on this board get defensive when management is questioned. I went through 2 decades of coaches and front office people stumbling around making this franchise a joke. When you draft the best QB in football, you must surround him with quality skill position players and a respectable defense. 

You just cavalierly make statements as if they are true.  Diana Rossini reported the Jets did not want to trade in the division.  As for Shaheed  we have guys that have speed in Moore and Samuel.  Brady has not set his offense up for fly patterns - maybe he should but does Shaheed truly offer anything over what we have?

 

I have gone through 66 years of Bills football.  We’ve had far darker days than now, and many GMs far worse that Beane.

[Donuts and Doritos]

We're here if Sunday's win killed Beane's desire to trade?

[oldmanfan]

19 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Our WR1 is a tight end. 

Shakir.  And Kincaid.  And it’s OK to have a top end receiving TE.

[Trogdor]

2 hours ago, billsfan714 said:

I'll be on a lonely island here, glad we didnt make a trade.  Guys not signed for next year: Bosa, AJE, Daquan, Ogunjobi, Milano, Thompson.   Guys a lot of people want replaced: Rapp, Tre.  Hoecht might not be ready to start the year.  We're over the cap in 2026 as of right now, so what's your plan for next year if you give away picks?   Beane's job is to look at this team long term not just this year.  There are still a lot of holes to fill next off season.

My brother or sister in Christ, you do whatever you have to to win it all and then you deal with it. It's not his job to build a playoff contender and call it a day, the goal is to win it all or he isn't right for the job. 

[Draconator]

This is how I dealt with the Bills not making any trade deadline moves.

[Trogdor]

1 hour ago, DeepPass said:

Ownership has a sold out OLD stadium and a lot of cash from seat licenses and season tickets in the NEW stadium!  They are happy!

The same folks who still haven't fired Kevyn Palm Tree's Adams. The man who tried to publicly shamed a 23yr old Eichel into getting his neck fused. They have absolutely lucked into the current Bills situation. 

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The cost of doing business at the deadline has increased in general.  

 

Teams like the Bills........who need other teams to eat a lot of dead money......are why.

 

 There are more high value players that are positioned with low cap numbers so as to be tradable to virtually anyone at the deadline than ever.  More potential buyers drives up the price.  

 

Beane has made his bed with more than his share of very careless spending from 2018 to 2022 or so........like throwing $6M per year at backup level players like Josh Norman and AJ Klein years ago.  The list of inexplicable contracts he's doled out is far too long and it's mostly just habitually paying league minimum guys $3M-$6M than it is the big deals.   It would be nice to have that $5M he paid Corey Coleman for the 10 day tryout in camp.   He was so, so careless early in his tenure.   We are very fortunate that Pegula has agreed to keep spending.   Most franchises will not.

Corey Coleman is a true deep cut.

[HamptonBillsfan]

8 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

You just cavalierly make statements as if they are true.  Diana Rossini reported the Jets did not want to trade in the division.  As for Shaheed  we have guys that have speed in Moore and Samuel.  Brady has not set his offense up for fly patterns - maybe he should but does Shaheed truly offer anything over what we have?

 

I have gone through 66 years of Bills football.  We’ve had far darker days than now, and many GMs far worse that Beane.

Don’t compare Shaheed to Moore. It’s not close. Samuel is not a member of the offense he’s either hurt or doesn’t make any plays. To get an Olave or Shaheed a high rounder or 2 over a couple of drafts is a must. With a QB like Josh a GM has to take some big swings. You remember George Allen’s Redskin teams? They never had any draft choices, they were great every year with Sonny and Billy Kilmer. I’m not saying sacrificing like that is necessary but important pieces need to be brought in when you have holes.

[Buffalo Boy]

44 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

Some of you act like this franchise is so darn desperate for wins of any kind. And yet have been 3 points away from advancing or going to the SB the last two seasons.

 

This is a playoff team that just beat their biggest nemesis in KC and the defense came alive in that game hitting Mahomes 15 times while containing him from running. 

 

The Bills have WRs Josh Palmer and Gabe Davis waiting in the wings and DE Landon Jackson that could see playing time in the future. So while this GM attempted to make some trades it simply didn't work out.

 

The sky is not falling...just relax! 

   This is so “ Lucy yanking the ball before Charlie kicks it.” 
   Everyone is happy to beat the Chiefs, but it doesn’t mean anything if we don’t get to the top of the mountain.  We have seen it repeatedly.
    The AFC seems to be miraculously ripe for the picking. Of course there is a huge feeling of angst by many at the apparent status quo lack of splash moves.

    
 

[folz]

2 hours ago, Einstein said:

I have simply come to terms with the fact that Beane and I don’t value draft picks the same.

 

I see them as lottery tickets. 

 

I would rather trade a lottery ticket for a known commodity, than use the lottery ticket.

 

I would rather cash in a 1 in a million chance at a billion dollars, for a guaranteed $100,000.

 

He doesn’t agree, and that sucks in my opinion, but it is what it is.

 

I get where you are coming from, but your analogy is a bit over the top.

 

General odds of hitting on your draft picks (player becomes a multi-year starter):

1st round: 50% 

2nd round: 33%

3rd round: 16%

4th round: 8%

5th round: 5%

6th round: 2%

7th round: 2%

 

One site I saw showed that the general odds of a team drafting a 5-year starter with any of their picks (overall) is about 21.3%. 

 

Odds of winning the lottery: 0.000000333333333% (1 in 300,000,000).

 

Plus if you draft the player, you have them for 4-5 years on a rookie salary, as opposed to FAs or trades that are generally more 1-3 years and come with a decent price tag. Swinging for the fences is ok every now and then (I would have been happy with a trade today if it improved the team), but you'd probably be in trouble (weak in other areas of your team) if you traded in too may tickets over too many years.

 

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

A 4th and 5th for Shaheed was not a "crazy offer." It was less than the reported asking price of a 3rd. Quite simply Beane and this coaching staff decided they are good with this offense. Palmer returning from injury and Davis getting elevated at some point is their plan at WR. They have to be right. Another year where the offense has a chance to get it done at the end of a playoff game and can't deliver would be devastating.

 

 

1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

we don’t have his speed, big play, and return ability

 

Rashid Shaheed over his first three seasons has averaged 518 yards and 3 TDs per season. If he were an off-season FA acquisition many would say he's another WR 3 or 4 and we have a ton of them. Like was said about Palmer (career: 572 yards and 2.5 TDs/season) and Moore (career: 540 yards and 2.25 TDs/season).

 

Yes, this year Shaheed is on pace for 942 yards and 3.7 TDs. Palmer was on pace for 663 yards before his injury (for reference). But is he really significantly better than what we already have? Would he automatically and consistently have become top 2 in targets on this team? Does he have a history of coming up big in crunch time (big games/playoffs) because that's what most are really looking for in the WR room. Plus he's just a rental for the rest of the year. He's on a one-year contract only and is still owed $2.125 million dollars for this year. A 4th, a 5th, and $2.125 mil is a lot to give up for possibly 11 games (that's if we make it all the way)---unless you restructure and give him a lot of money (which we don't have and only if he'd want to rather than test FA at the end of the year). The only other way it makes sense is if he was the key piece to finally getting us over the hump in the post-season (which I am skeptical that he would have been).

 

And as Nihilarian pointed out, we have players with faster and similar 40-times to Shaheed. It's not like he is a 4.2 guy or something and gonna bring us speed we don't have.

Shaheed: 4.43 

Samuel 4.31; Moore 4.35; Shakir 4.43

 

The only other WR traded today was Jakobi Meyers. And despite averaging 846.6 yards and 4 TDs per season over the last 5 years, I also don't feel that he significantly moves the needle in us finally getting over the playoff hump. Is he gonna be the guy come playoff time that Josh can count on like a #1 when he's in trouble or it's crunch time?

 

Obviously, no other receivers were actually available (Adonai Mitchell moved from Indy to NYJ, but only as an add on to the Sauce trade).

 

I was looking for maybe a DT. But the only movement there was Qinnen Williams to the Cowboys. Doubt the Jets trade him in division; doubt Beane would give up a 1st and 2nd for Williams. No safeties moved either. So, doesn't really seem like there was much out there to help Buffalo.

 

[FireChans]

15 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Corey Coleman is a true deep cut.

Beano paid like $2M GTD for Lael Collins (who was a PS squad guy the year prior) to come to camp lol.

 

He steps over dollars to pick up pennies, but his pockets have holes in them.

[billsfan714]

23 minutes ago, Trogdor said:

My brother or sister in Christ, you do whatever you have to to win it all and then you deal with it. It's not his job to build a playoff contender and call it a day, the goal is to win it all or he isn't right for the job. 

I look forward to this board losing its mind when Beane goes heavy defense in the draft again next year.

[BillsPride12]

1 minute ago, billsfan714 said:

I look forward to this board losing its mind when Beane goes heavy defense in the draft again next year.

Rinse and repeat

[Clyde Smith]

50 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said:

My fellow Bills fans no need to worry 

 

MVS is available 

He got signed by Pittsburgh last week. 

[Buffalo Boy]

39 minutes ago, VW82 said:

 

No, he's not right. No one is saying Josh isn't a unique talent, but to frame it as about Josh's legacy is what's moronic if you're actually a Bills fan. This is about the BILLS, not just Josh. We don't know what was offered and what wasn't. Maybe doing nothing was the correct decision in this case. But acting like we desperately needed to do something through the lens of Josh being better than Phil Rivers is beyond stupid. 

Josh IS the Bills right now. 
End of story, full stop. 
As Josh goes, so go the Bills. Josh not winning a SB is the Bills not winning a SB.

When viewed through the lense of insanely talented player that he is, it is moronic NOT to see the comparison.

[Charles Romes]

To get 5+ contributors like this year, you need to be drafting 10 or so players. I’m glad they kept all their picks, especially with a history of success in the middle to late rounds. 

[Success]

I feel like fans are really overplaying the difference Shaheed would have made.

 

The time to upgrade the WR position was this past offseason.  Meyers & Shaheed were the only guys moved today - and neither is a significant difference-maker.  Slight to moderate upgrades at best.

 

In a way, I applaud Beane for not making a move "just to make a move."  The best fits for really improving the WR corps just weren't available or affordable.

 

So now we hope. We hope Kincaid stays healthy. We hope Gabe can still play.  We hope Palmer comes back soon, and Coleman can show improvement.  We hope they figure out how to use the speed we have in Samuel & Moore.  We hope that they work Cook into the passing game consistently.

 

[VW82]

13 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Josh not winning a SB is the Bills not winning a SB.

 

Bills can win a SB without Josh needing to play like a superhero 100% of the time. This isn't binary. QB is most important but no QB can or ever will win SB by themselves. Many team based perspectives need to be considered, including future iterations of Josh-led Bills. 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by VW82

[TBBills Fan]

Who did we end up getting?