Would you want to see Josh play hardball with the organization?

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

Cignetti feels like a Chip Kelly to me.  Not sure his schtick would work with grown men.  If McVay isn’t attainable, I’d give serious thought to Stefanski.  Cleveland has terrible ownership.  Stefanski with Josh and a non dumpster fire organization could get us to the promised land.  

Totally fair. Cignetti is an arrogant prick. 🤣🤣 Even still, I think that the downside risk just isn’t there with a healthy Josh. Part of the reason that I’ve been so adamant about change is that I don’t think that the bottom can fall out. 

[Rew]

6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Lol, you don’t think that Josh sees the problems?? He said as much in his press conference last week BEFORE Monday’s game. Whether or not he says anything is a different story. I agree that it is not in his nature. With that being said, he sees the problems. He said it out loud.

I didn't see the comments you're referring to.  Everything I've heard from Josh is on players (himself first and foremost) executing better.  If you have examples of him blaming coaching or talent acquisition, I'd love to see/read what I missed.

[WNYFAN1]

47 minutes ago, BlueRed said:

I voted no. Josh already has influence in the decisions that are made that led to Ken Dorsey and Keon Coleman. 
 

Things could get worse …

Agreed. Let Josh focus on playing football.

[Kirby Jackson]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Things can’t get worse from there they are now?  🤦🏻‍♂️ 

I don’t believe that they can. I think that you could take any competent coach in college or the NFL and be 4-2 right now. I believe that they have played about as poorly as this group can possibly play with the exception of the 1st half against the Jets and the last 4 minutes vs. Baltimore. 

[LabattBlue]

I don’t want Josh having input on selection of a coach, gm, or specific players, but nothing wrong with him going to Pegula and saying “we need a #1 WR”, or “it’s not working with <insert coach>”. 
 

 

[Gregg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/nfl-analyst-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-about-bills-biggest-issue/ar-AA1Ot6tL?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=U531&cvid=68ef9c1a099442f59baf37c683bf65fa&ei=13

[DrBob806]

1 hour ago, Another Fan said:

  But a lot of the great QBs had that SOB/Diva in them.  

 

 

Tell me if I'm wrong, the only divas at QB I recall are Russell Wilson & Aaron Rodgers.

 

WRs are the consistent NFL divas.

 

To answer your question, no Josh shouldn't get these guys fired by speaking out. 

 

Wilson killed the Seahawks short-lived dynasty, while Rodgers' stay with the NYJ was a disaster. JA could inadvertently do that to the Bills. 

[BuffaloRebound]

8 minutes ago, DrBob806 said:

Tell me if I'm wrong, the only divas at QB I recall are Russell Wilson & Aaron Rodgers.

 

WRs are the consistent NFL divas.

 

To answer your question, no Josh shouldn't get these guys fired by speaking out. 

 

Wilson killed the Seahawks short-lived dynasty, while Rodgers' stay with the NYJ was a disaster. JA could inadvertently do that to the Bills. 

No reasonable person would ever accuse Josh of that.  The fact that McDermott has survived 4 more seasons after 13 seconds is proof.  

[T master]

I'm not sure that Josh would need to play hard ball . I feel that if McD is the man I think he is he may do it himself or go to Beane and between the 2 of them clean house as far as some of the coaching staff goes to change the dynamic to give the players more of a challenge .

 

I think they may be becoming complacent with the message and there needs to be a shake up of sorts . I love the winning ut like Marv he left on his own terms and I think that McD would do the same . He has changed this franchise into a winner and brought a ton to this team and the region with the new stadium and all and deserves a certain amount of respect for that .

 

But the last thing I would want to see is this franchise even with Josh make a change and go from making the play offs every year to being the Giants, or worse .

[NewEra]

16 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t believe that they can. I think that you could take any competent coach in college or the NFL and be 4-2 right now. I believe that they have played about as poorly as this group can possibly play with the exception of the 1st half against the Jets and the last 4 minutes vs. Baltimore. 

Is that the same as saying “every competent coach would be 4-2 right now with Josh Allen”?  
 

This would also mean that we wouldn’t be able to hire a first time HC as we don’t know if coordinators are competent head coaches 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Rew said:

I didn't see the comments you're referring to.  Everything I've heard from Josh is on players (himself first and foremost) executing better.  If you have examples of him blaming coaching or talent acquisition, I'd love to see/read what I missed.

He used the words “piss poor” after the Patriots game. He said something to the tune of “we aren’t playing well” last Wednesday. He’s been visibly frustrated and passive aggressive while remaining diplomatic. That’s what he does. He doesn’t straight up trash people (pretty much nobody does that). When asked “what could have been better” he dances around carefully but doesn’t dispute where they are leading him. When asked the other night about the receivers not getting open, he said something to the tune of, “a perfectly thrown ball can make a guy open” or something like that. He didn’t say, “there was room.” He basically shouldered the blame. If you don’t think that he sees the problems, I’ve got a bridge for sale. Josh can’t hide his frustration in front of a microphone over the last few weeks. Imagine what he is feeling that he won’t say? 
 

To be clear, none of us are suggesting that he gets in front of a microphone and blasts everyone. We are simply suggesting, he should be in Beane’s office saying, “these guys aren’t getting open. You saw the film. Get me some help.” It’s not a threat at this point but it is exerting leverage. 

Edited 7 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[BillsVet]

After that 2020 season, I think McD started working toward his version of complementary football, albeit not as fast as he wanted it.    

 

In 2021,  they didn't have the OL to run it and Diggs was there which meant throwing it more than McD wanted.  Daboll's last season.    

In 2022, they signed some run blocking types, but the pass protection was awful...and Diggs was still there.  Dorsey promoted from within.  

In 2023, Dorsey got canned at mid-season, Brady entered, and he implemented more of this style offense.

In 2024, the front office moves out Diggs, and McD has the pieces including the OC, to implement his version of offense.  It fails by Week 4.

In 2025, they add 1 player on offense the whole off-season, they continue with complementary football and it fails by...Week 5.  

 

After all this...I have no issue with Josh going to ownership if he doesn't get a response from the HC and GM because it's clear McBeane's plan has been inadequate long enough.  Especially when you consider that guys like Mayfield, Darnold, and others are having success getting to throw the ball downfield to competent receivers.

 

Then again, I'd expect a true owner to look down and ask why the guy guaranteed a quarter-billion and the one who sells tickets is scrambling, sacked, and hurried more this season throwing to guys who don't get open.   

[Fleezoid]

Josh: "I'm sorry, I don't play baseball now. My training is in football."

[Buffalo Boy]

49 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

So who comes in?  Belichick?  Daboll, if he gets canned?  Maybe John Harbaugh (seems like shirt changing to me).  I don't know if McD is the guy to get us there.  I have significant doubts.  But I don't know who the replacement should be, either. 

Fear of the unknown is not a reason to continue a failed experiment.

[Kirby Jackson]

22 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Is that the same as saying “every competent coach would be 4-2 right now with Josh Allen”?  
 

This would also mean that we wouldn’t be able to hire a first time HC as we don’t know if coordinators are competent head coaches 

I am including successful coordinators and position coaches as competent. There are plenty of football minds that would accomplish what has been accomplished over the last 5 or 6 years IMO. There may be a year or 2 where they are a game or 2 worse or a game or 2 better but the delta is small.

 

Where I stand, is we have seen this group try over and over. I’m willing to sacrifice a 13-4 season for a 12-5 season if it means being more effective vs. KC in the playoffs. I believe there is so little downside risk. I’m not even saying that there is massive upside to be had. I’m willing to take on he minimal downside risk in exchange for the potential upside. The worst case scenario is that you win the division and get bounced in round 1 or 2 instead of 2 or 3. 

Edited 8 hours ago by Kirby Jackson

[wppete]

Yes he is too nice and his career is getting destroyed by McDermotts ego. 

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Put another way, if we had Callahan or Stefanski starting week 1 this year and played all the games over, I think the odds we are 4-2 or better at this junction are extremely high. 
 

IMO, it’s much more likely we are 4-2 than 2-4 this season only.

 

i wonder if anyone disagrees with that.

 

If we had Callahan I doubt we have won 4 games. Stefanski, sure. 

[Bruffalo]

I think it would be a pretty horrible sign about the team if he had to, so no, I hope he doesn't start playing "hardball".

 

What would that even look like? Is he going to hold out unless the changes he wants implemented are made a reality? A large portion of the fanbase (and this board) eviscerates players for doing that. Cook did it for like 4 days and people here were losing their minds over it.   

[tigerthelion]

52 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

How much truth is there to Josh hand picking Keon in the draft?  

I would say not much truth at all to that. 

 

 I do believe he had a big say in Dorsey,  which was obviously not a good judgement call. 

[Dan Darragh]

Josh playing hardball - you mean with the Bisons?  He'd be a monster 6'4" gold glove shortstop hitting cleanup.  I'm all in.