The Refs and this “rigged” league

[Low Positive]

3 minutes ago, TheWei44 said:

Totally agree - I'd be very curious to see how other key rivals of ours (eg Chiefs, Ravens) look in similar tables.  To get at whether it's a Hochuli issue or a Hochuli-Bills issue.  Thanks!!

Chiefs are 9-4 with Hochuli, with one of those losses being week 18 last year when they didn't try. The Eagles are 7-1. 

[3rdand12]

28 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

 no … we live in a simulation…

I just knew it.

and we got the low resolution one didn't we

 Ralph !!!

[3rdand12]

8 minutes ago, Low Positive said:

Chiefs are 9-4 with Hochuli, with one of those losses being week 18 last year when they didn't try. The Eagles are 7-1. 

The Case being made here might lead one to an earlier than expected conclusion about our dear Ed.

 But it's not a good look so far Mr Hochuli

 Thanks you folks who look sht up 👍

[Ralonzo]

7 hours ago, Just Jack said:

Not sure how true this meme is...

 

 

This. One crew being such an outlier to a degree of several standard deviations is enormously suspicious.

[SaulGoodman]

Today’s NFL fan for ya. Every loss is a fix, but every win is legit.

[Low Positive]

17 minutes ago, SaulGoodman said:

Today’s NFL fan for ya. Every loss is a fix, but every win is legit.

Why are you here? Don't you have a game to watch? Let us complain in peace. 

[Success]

Just saw a Pats fan online call us a "loser fanbase" for complaining about the officiating after seeing this thread.  And he/she then proceeded to complain about the lack of holding calls on our O-line against Barmore.

 

Pats fans can be cartoons sometimes.

 

[Matt_In_NH]

It’s a conspiracy!!!!   Hahaha

[Pecker]

8 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:

Now , the Bills poor play was largely the reason for their demise. However as soon as I heard it was Hochuli, I groaned. I knew the Bills were in for a lot of offensive holding calls, ticky tack defensive penalties etc. only the most flagrant of fouls would be called against NE. For fans who don’t remember Hochuli, he’s the Ref that watched the Eagles rough Allen on a pass play and promptly threw a flag. Incredibly it was a flag on Allen for grounding as the pass fell short of the LOS. Yeah, that guy. The Bills have no one but themselves to blame as they were sloppy with procedure penalties and turnovers. 

I remember that eagles game two or three years ago.  I recall that reffing crew costing the bills 30 points. 
 

the league really needs to review the whole crew and fire them. 

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Chiefs are 9-4 with Hochuli, with one of those losses being week 18 last year when they didn't try. The Eagles are 7-1. 

Yep, one of those eagles wins Hoculi basically gave the eagles a 30 point head start. 

[RichRiderBills]

9 hours ago, Big Blitz said:

You will not convince me otherwise after that joke last night. 
 

The network (thus the league) had its narrative ready and did everything they could to make the team that lost at home to Vegas and Pittsburgh relevant again.  
 

Robert Kraft was in attendance.  Is that normal for him on road games?
 

You will not see a playoff game with 11 TOTAL penalties let alone 11 on one team.  Yea they threw some on NE in the 2nd half but that doesn’t mean they couldn’t “fix it” later.

 

 

THEY THREW A FLAG ON THE FINAL KICK RETURN.  That was just in case we returned it for a TD.  

 

Holding calls that were beyond questionable and will NEVER be called in January.  
 

Our WRs NEVER are interfered with.  Amazing considering how much man we see.  
 

NE never held on ANY passes - did I miss one?   
 

 

This isn’t a “blame the refs” for the loss either.  You can take it that way but we had a chance to win.  Then Shakir got mugged and the network did a great job showing why that wasn’t a DPI.  Total joke.  
 

Not a blame the refs.  You just won’t convince me otherwise that when this league needs something done for a team it will get done.  
 

 

 

 

My thought was the calls were so unbelievably ticky tack. Also - very few replays of bad calls or sketchy close plays. It seemed like classic " outcome sculpting" in the 1st half. 

 

Pats DBs got away with murder all night. 

 

That being said....Cant never excuse the turnovers! We win if we don't commit even 1 there. 

 

 

[Billzgobowlin]

By far not the worst game officiating but not the best.  Bills did not play as well as they could but it didn't help with so many flags on offense.

[Ga boy]

1 hour ago, Low Positive said:

Chiefs are 9-4 with Hochuli, with one of those losses being week 18 last year when they didn't try. The Eagles are 7-1. 

Chiefs and Eagles prolly have good records whomever is reffing.

[CincyBillsFan]

26 minutes ago, Ga boy said:

Chiefs and Eagles prolly have good records whomever is reffing.

So do the Bills when anybody not named Hercules is reffing - which was the point of an excellent statistical analysis earlier in this thread.

 

 

[Bruffalo]

3 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said:

So do the Bills when anybody not named Hercules is reffing - which was the point of an excellent statistical analysis earlier in this thread.

 

 

It’s suspicious that 3 of the Bills “signature losses” have had the same refs.

 

This game, the Philly game in 2023, the divisional game against the chiefs in Buffalo. You can throw in the 2018 loss to the Dolphins if you want too (Charles Clay endzone drop to seal the game).

 

 

[colin]

I love the accusations of tin foil hat stuff, as if there are no good and bad or biased refs.

 

And didn't new england get caught red handed cheating multiple times?  Like, you have to a punk moron to think the only time they ever cheated were the times they got caught.  

 

Didn't an NBA ref get popped, and then called games telling exactly what the ref was about to do prior to the play showing the bias and corruption?

 

I don't quite think the NFL is rigged, but you'd have to have both hands up your own butt to think there aren't any biases or thumbs I the scale.

[strive_for_five_guy]

1 hour ago, SaulGoodman said:

Today’s NFL fan for ya. Every loss is a fix, but every win is legit.

I mean if you watch the Bills Ravens game objectively, it was clear the fix was in for the Bills in that one.

[alanvh2o]

2 hours ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

I mean if you watch the Bills Ravens game objectively, it was clear the fix was in for the Bills in that one.

100. And while the fix was in last weekend against the bills winning by 16 the fix was not in against the bills winning. Sometimes I just want it fixed for the bills to win by 1000

[DapperCam]

2 hours ago, Ga boy said:

Chiefs and Eagles prolly have good records whomever is reffing.

Bills have the 2nd best record over the past 5 seasons. This ref crew is an outlier. Maybe McDermott embarrassed him in a bicep curl contest.

[Aussie Joe]

2 hours ago, colin said:

I love the accusations of tin foil hat stuff, as if there are no good and bad or biased refs.

 

And didn't new england get caught red handed cheating multiple times?  Like, you have to a punk moron to think the only time they ever cheated were the times they got caught.  

 

Didn't an NBA ref get popped, and then called games telling exactly what the ref was about to do prior to the play showing the bias and corruption?

 

I don't quite think the NFL is rigged, but you'd have to have both hands up your own butt to think there aren't any biases or thumbs I the scale.

the league being “rigged “ and a biased or even crooked ref(s) can be two different things as you note 

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Aussie Joe

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

the league being “rigged “ and a biased refs can be two different things as you note 

I said in the "around the league" thread, if you can bet money on it, someone is on the take. 

 

Everyone always says, it's too easy to find out if someone is shaving points or calling the game unfair or x, y and z.  But for some reason, it seems to happen a lot.