Where is Landon Jackson ???

[Don Otreply]

Is this gonna be another thread that devolves into a fire everyone rant???  lol,

[ngbills]

Jackson and Hairston are 2 of 3 players picked in the top 72 picks that have yet to play a down. 

[SoTier]

6 hours ago, Westside said:

Is expecting a 3rd round pick to sit the bench, he’ll, not even dress a quarter of the way through the year acceptable? Terrible draft pick once again. They win despite their coaching and GM. 

 

Yes, it is acceptable, especially on a team with a 4-0 record and serious SB contenders.   Teams with crappy rosters start rookies far more frequently than teams aiming for the playoffs.

 

2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re all disappointed. It’s compounded by the general perception of the D Line performance to date. Let’s face it; if the DL is underperforming it’s hard to see how this kid could be much worse. 

 

No, we are not all disappointed.  He's a rookie, and right now, his practice work isn't as good as other players, so he's sitting.  Deal with it.

 

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

Jerry Hughes, a first-rounder, only had 1 start and 1 sack in his first two years in the NFL.

 

Not every football career follows the same trajectory.  

 

 

 

 

 

Hughes was a first round bust when the Colts traded him to the Bills for, IIRC, LB Kelvin Sheppard.  It was a good trade for both teams and both players as well.  Sheppard had a decent NFL career and Hughes became a star for the Bills at a time when they had little to buoy them up.

 

43 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Is this gonna be another thread that devolves into a fire everyone rant???  lol,

 

I think it already has.   Numerous members of the "Fire Everyone" clan have already chimed in on Jackson being "a bust".

Edited Monday at 04:43 PM by SoTier

[gonzo1105]

1 hour ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

Sometimes you get a Spencer Brown in the 3rd round, sometimes you get a guy that isn’t ready to play yet.  And even Spencer took time to develop into one of the best tackles in the game.

Spencer Brown wasn’t even Spencer Brown until year 3. There were a lot of people looking for his replacement after season 2 especially with concerns about his back but his play was at best average I would say. I get at least he was on the field tho to your point 

[todd]

Are we really calling a guy drafted in the 3rd either a bust or a terrible draft pick 4 games into his first season? Ridiculous.

[Simon]

11 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

Where is Landon Jackson ???

 

They're still working on him in the training room.

 

[Charles Romes]

25 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Yes, it is acceptable, especially on a team with a 4-0 record and serious SB contenders.   Teams with crappy rosters start rookies far more frequently than teams aiming for the playoffs.

 

 

No, we are not all disappointed.  He's a rookie, and right now, his practice work isn't as good as other players, so he's sitting.  Deal with it.

 

 

Hughes was a first round bust when the Colts traded him to the Bills for, IIRC, LB Kelvin Sheppard.  It was a good trade for both teams and both players as well.  Sheppard had a decent NFL career and Hughes became a star for the Bills at a time when they had little to buoy them up.

 

 

I think it already has.   Numerous members of the "Fire Everyone" clan have already chimed in on Jackson being "a bust".

these guys are defenders and our ‘24 defense was ranked 28th by PFF

[Ethan in Cleveland]

7 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He doesn't play Special Teams. And obviously between what we saw during the Pre-Season (yikes) and what we haven't seen in Practice - they feel what they're seeing doesn't warrant playing him over Javon Solomon.

 

Really as simple as that. If what we saw from him in the Pre-Season were an anomaly and he looked like he was someone who would be an upgrade of any kind in Practice, he'd be active. The fact that he isn't really says all that needs to be said.

 

 

Way too early to say that. But he's obviously very green and needs more developing than we were expecting. 

 

I will say though if you were someone who was expecting a Superstar, especially right out of the gate, from the kind of caliber prospect that you find at the Defensive End position in Round 3 - you were setting yourself up for disappointment.

Surely you know there's is a massive difference between superstar and not dressing for games. 

Regardless of whether it is too early to call him a Beane bust, it is a significant disappointment that a 3rd round pick cant dress for game day. 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Surely you know there's is a massive difference between superstar and not dressing for games. 

Regardless of whether it is too early to call him a Beane bust, it is a significant disappointment that a 3rd round pick cant dress for game day. 

 

Then he needs to earn his jersey. Simple as that. Unless you want them to be a joke team that hands players jobs they don't deserve like many other teams do (who usually are bottom feeders).

Edited Monday at 05:35 PM by Big Turk

[HOUSE]

He spent the weekend with his brother Michael 

[hondo in seattle]

33 minutes ago, Charles Romes said:

these guys are defenders and our ‘24 defense was ranked 28th by PFF

 

True enough, but one of the reasons rookies tend not to play a lot on SB contenders - besides the strength of the roster - is that every game matters.  

If I'm coaching a team contending for the playoffs and fighting for home-field advantage, I'm probably reluctant to put a rookie on the field who's going to make rookie mistakes.

But if I'm coaching a team with little hope of playing in January, I'm going to give my rookies lots of playing time to gain experience that will hopefully make 2026 a better year.

[Augie]

40 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

They're still working on him in the training room.

 

 

Hey! That hair tells me you just might be pulling our leg. We're paying attention, you can’t slip that by on a bunch of sharp tacks like us! 

 

I hope he’s more like the Tin Man, and a couple well aimed squirts of oil can get him well lubricated on game days……like the rest of us. 

[dorquemada]

1 hour ago, ngbills said:

Jackson and Hairston are 2 of 3 players picked in the top 72 picks that have yet to play a down. 

 

is that right?  good lord.

[Don Otreply]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

Yes, it is acceptable, especially on a team with a 4-0 record and serious SB contenders.   Teams with crappy rosters start rookies far more frequently than teams aiming for the playoffs.

 

 

No, we are not all disappointed.  He's a rookie, and right now, his practice work isn't as good as other players, so he's sitting.  Deal with it.

 

 

Hughes was a first round bust when the Colts traded him to the Bills for, IIRC, LB Kelvin Sheppard.  It was a good trade for both teams and both players as well.  Sheppard had a decent NFL career and Hughes became a star for the Bills at a time when they had little to buoy them up.

 

 

I think it already has.   Numerous members of the "Fire Everyone" clan have already chimed in on Jackson being "a bust".

What’s with these low IQ types, dropped on their heads as children I guess, lol

[SunDSolar]

People here act like we dont have two clear examples of draft picks(Bernard/Shakir) who they took there time with

[ngbills]

Super Bowl Teams 1-3 rounders:

 

PHI:

Campbell - started all 4 games

Mukuba - 3 starts, 85% of snaps

 

KC:

Simmons - started all 4 games

Norman-Lott - 1 start, playing 30% of snaps overall

Williams - 19% of snaps

Gillotte - 1 start, 41% of snaps

[Malazan]

This thread is why anyone who has ever posted on this forum should be banned.

[FireChans]

33 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Super Bowl Teams 1-3 rounders:

 

PHI:

Campbell - started all 4 games

Mukuba - 3 starts, 85% of snaps

 

KC:

Simmons - started all 4 games

Norman-Lott - 1 start, playing 30% of snaps overall

Williams - 19% of snaps

Gillotte - 1 start, 41% of snaps

To be fair, we pick late in rounds and it’s harder to find instant contributors.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

6 hours ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

If they're not even going to play the man, why have him on the roster?

 

 

Yes lets cut a 3rd round pick.  Great idea!

 

 

5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

We’re all disappointed. It’s compounded by the general perception of the D Line performance to date. Let’s face it; if the DL is underperforming it’s hard to see how this kid could be much worse. 

 

And yet going into this weekend the Bills were in the top 5 in pressure rate.  So the Bills are affecting the QB and making him move off his spot, just not getting the sacks.

 

 

5 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

This is why I hate some fans. These draft picks aren’t going to be instant stars right out of the draft. 
 

Kincaid was a 1st round pick, he’s now in year 3 and the lightbulb has finally turned on for him as a complete player. People want him to catch 10 passes a game but he’s making big catches at big times and he’s blocking his ass off. 
 

People wanted to throw Cole Bishop in the trash can already at the start of this season and yes he’s had struggles at times but you can see he’s steadily improving. If you watch the end zone shot of the INT his instincts. 
 

I think we’d all agree that Coleman has improved significantly in year 2 just doesn’t get the target share 

 

Give Jackson some time, he was a 3rd round pick, yes we hope every guy is a superstar that we draft but if Jackson becomes a rotational DE in the NFL for years that’s a success already 

 

 

 

I would be very hard to put Bishop in the trash can as it would be well overflowing by all the other players the fans wanted in there, starting with Spenser Brown, Coleman as you mention, Knox, Bass, and many others I can't even recall.

 

Who should we sit instead of Jackson?  The team is only going to make 4 DE's active, the only one you could possibly argue to sit would be Solomon and to me it's not at all surprising the a 5th rounder with a full year of experience under his belt can beat out a 3rd round rookie.  They've also talked about how playing DE is much harder to learn everything you need to know that DT.

 

I saw posts on some thread questioning why draft him if he's not going to play.  That answer is simple, at the end of this year both Bosa and Epenesa are free agents and even at DT Jones is likely gone along with Phillips and IMO unless Oliver either has a massive year or agrees to a pay cut he could also be gone as he has a very high cap number.  And while he had a great game 1, it's hard to have a massive year when not playing so that could work against him too.

 

Jackson very likely was drafted to replace Epenesa next season, maybe they will re-sign Bosa depending how his year goes and how much he wants, but next years D-line could look much different.

[Alphadawg7]

8 hours ago, finn said:

This may be a naïve question, but why then draft a DE in the third round, when it seems you're much more likely to find a quality player at another position? That never made sense to me. Better a good prospect at a position where you're ok (like WR or RB, cough) than a weak prospect at DE. 

 

Why is a he a weak prospect at DE?  Most thought he was going to go in the 2nd round, including many here and in the Bills own mock drafts here.  He was never a "weak" prospect at DE, he was always a 2nd to 3rd rounder by most accounts.  McD has notoriously brought rookies along slowly when there were capable guys ahead of them.  

 

When we moved on from Cole, they brought McNugget back and signed Crowder on top of drafting Shakir, a guy who was projected to possibly go as high as round 2 or 3 that slid to us in the 5th - which also prompted coaches and GM's to text Beane upset we got him.  Then Crowder got hurt and McNugget kept proving what many of us new before the season even began, that he had no business starting in the NFL - still no Shakir despite McNugget being so bad they brought back the ghost of Cole Beasley.  Even going into Shakir's 2nd season, Dorsey was very very slow to give Shakir any real reps or targets until literally right before he was fired.  Then Brady took over and Shakir literally came on and went on to lead the team (with both Diggs and Davis still on it) in receiving despite half as many targets that Diggs got the rest of the season.

 

We drafted Bernard in the 3rd round and many people here said he was also a bust because he didn't really play much his rookie season.  Same with Cook, he was brought along slow and many thought he was a part time RB at best who really was just here to catch passes.  Same with AJE, Spencer Brown, Matt Milano, Benford, etc all of which had "bust" or JAG labels early in their careers around here by TSW.  

 

So, no disrespect, not immediately starting or contributing for a rookie in this regime has never been an immediate sign of a wasted pick or a bust.  Does not mean Landon is the next Shakir or Bernard either, just means that we have a crowded DL rotation right now, and for whatever reason he hasn't gotten opportunities yet.