Game week thread - Pats at Bills SNF

[TPS]

1 hour ago, Magox said:

TJ Sanders 👀

 

 

This is why I'm surprised (or not?) that so many people here think he hasn't done much?  Maybe because pressures aren't in the box score?  I notice him near the QB (pressure) several times every game. The sacks will come.

[BillsFan130]

13 minutes ago, TPS said:

This is why I'm surprised (or not?) that so many people here think he hasn't done much?  Maybe because pressures aren't in the box score?  I notice him near the QB (pressure) several times every game. The sacks will come.

Ya I think it's because he hasn't had the splash plays like Walker has.

 

Seems like Sanders is doing "ok" IMO. 

 

He has been put in a tough spot with the Oliver injury. I think in a perfect world the Bills wanted him to be a situational pass rusher to start the season, but he's been asked to play a lot more snaps cause the injury to Ed.

[FLFan]

43 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Fair 'nuff

 

 

Don't get me wrong, I think the Bills defense has its issues right now.  But I think Babich is a fine young DC.  I think he's getting a weird case of the finger-pointies from fans right now.  Now, if we're still getting time outs due to 10 men on field or penalties for 12 men on field in 2 games, I'll get back to you.

 

To me, the fundamental problem with the Bills D is that it's built to work like a net, where every player on the D knows his role, knows how his assignment changes with post-snap changes on O and the actual route choices receivers make, and executes.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net adjusts to follow it. It's the reason the Bills D can perform well and rank highly without 3-4 stars, with just decent guys.  It's the reason it can absorb the loss of a starter or 2 and still function well if the backup also knows his job and does it.

 

But right now, we've got too many newbies.  We've got Dorian Williams, we've got Cam Lewis, we've got Rapp and Bishop, we've got changes on the DL.  Part of the net moves, and the rest of the net does not adjust or adjusts the wrong way and the result is guys out of position.  They're not missing tackles because they don't know how to tackle for the most part, they're missing tackles because they're out of position and 0.5 sec slow.

 

Either it will improve as starters return and as young starters get more game time, or it won't.  Can't tell you which right now.

 

 

I assume you mean Josh McDaniels, not Mike McDaniel, and no, actually, I don't concede that at all.  And if "many people" don't disagree, I guess that doesn't concern me much unless those "many people" have actually followed McDaniels chequered career outside NE

 

Bart Scott didn't come up with his MadBacker quip in a vacuum or on his own.  He came up with his quip because it was known.

Outstanding post.  Thanks.  

[JaCrispy]

This could be the week that sh*t hits the fan…If we lose this game, we’ve suddenly got a division race on our hands…

 

Here’s to hoping we can last another week undefeated…👍

 

 

Edited Thursday at 11:30 PM by JaCrispy

[Steptide]

I'm really curious, with the pats run defense being the best in the league (granted they haven't really played anyone great) if Brady will stick to trying to run the ball. I feel like this game could well be our first loss but also it shouldn't be. The bills are the much better team, and if we do lose, I feel like it's gonna be from frustrating offensive play calling 

[boyst]

2 hours ago, PatsFanNH said:

Sigh first I was a pats fan in 1986 with Tony Eason and the gang got crushed by the bears have been since. I lived three the Suck bowl between the Jets and Pats get the 1st overall pick which ended up being Bledsoe. (Also lived through the fear of the team moving till Kraft bought them.. number one are St Louis)

 

second why is it when people talk about Cleveland they forget he brought them to the playoffs and the next year the owner announced they were moving to Baltimore and the wheels fell off.. 

 

I’ll forgive you for not knowing 2001 well for the Pats, you’re a Bills fan. The simple truth is Brady was a simple game manager that year and played smart, don’t turn the football over. He had a decent year but hardly earth shattering and Bledsoe had been in decline for a few years with his cement feet. (Which Buffalo fans learned all about)

You probably don’t know who Tony Eason is, or who Raymond Berry was.. he’ll you probably don’t remember how 1986 SB the Pats d got a turnover and the O marched a little and got the early 3-0 lead.. but ya I don’t know the Pats but you all do 😂 

Eason went to the Jets as a backup after his time in NE. #11 there. But was a backup to O'Brien. 

 

Tecmo super bowl, brah.

 

Berry was the coach when NE was a ***** show version of the Bengals back then.

 

I was also 5 in 1986...

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Tony Eason maybe?

Eason was before Grogan. Eason had his roster spot taken by Flutie. Lol

[SCBills]

This feels like the first real game since Baltimore Week 1 … and while I’m sure they’ll never admit it; I bet a majority of the team feels that way too. 
 

I think we see a much more focused and on point team Sunday night. 
 

If not.. then maybe this is who we are.  An explosive offense that goes through in-game lulls with a defense that just cannot get off the field.  
 

If it’s the latter, we have a lot of work to do and it might be another year where Josh Allen has to be superhuman in the postseason before he inevitably gets let’s down by his supporting cast and coaches against KC. 
 

Because I don’t know that reinforcements matter if that just who we are .. it then becomes more about scheme and philosophy because this team should be able to beat NE handedly even if we’re missing some guys. 
 

 

One game doesn’t make a season, but that would cement a concerning trend five games in.

 

Let’s hope they do the first thing I mentioned and simply show NE that there’s levels to this.  

[KOKBILLS]

Listening to NE reporter Ben Volin this morning on WGR talking about a potential Patriots upset and pointing out how the patsies will be "fired up" for this game got me thinking...

I wonder if the Bills have been "fired up" in any of their 75 wins over the past 6 plus seasons? 

[Success]

3 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said:

Listening to NE reporter Ben Volin this morning on WGR talking about a potential Patriots upset and pointing out how the patsies will be "fired up" for this game got me thinking...

I wonder if the Bills have been "fired up" in any of their 75 wins over the past 6 plus seasons? 

 

Pats nation is secretly dreaming that "this" is the moment - Maye's big coming out party, and taking the 1st big step toward taking the division back.  I've heard some hope that this is a trap game for the Bills.

 

But it can't be a trap game, because we're not looking forward to a tougher game for weeks.

 

I don't want to just win this one.  I think the team will be just as fired up as the Pats, and show that we're here to stay for awhile and that they can crane their necks looking up at 1st place for at least a few more years.

 

[Heathcliff]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

You are judging Mcdaniels as a head coach, not a coordinator. To get a head coaching job, you have to be a very good to an elite coordinator. And he has had multiple head coaching jobs- In 2009 and 2022- Which shows he has been an excellent coordinator for almost 20 years.

 

I don’t recall him having any real success without Brady. Am I forgetting somewhere?

[BearNorth]

14 hours ago, finn said:

They haven't blown teams out because they haven't needed to. 

The 4 Bills TD drives on Sunday

7 plays 79 yards 4:11;

7 plays 66 yards 4:17;

9 plays 80 yards 6:09;

4 plays 60 yards 1:46.

 

27 plays 285 yards.

 

Not sure what was going on Q2.

 

Opposing DC's gotta be gulping a lot when they see those.   

 

Would be nice if we had a healthy D tho.

Edited 16 hours ago by BearNorth

[Boatdrinks]

Yeah, for those thinking of the mythical “trap game” this by definition can’t be one. The trap game is vs a non division opponent, if one believes in such things. 

[BillsFan130]

14 minutes ago, Heathcliff said:

I don’t recall him having any real success without Brady. Am I forgetting somewhere?

Mac Jones year, 2021. Did an incredible job with him and made the playoffs that year. Got a head coaching job the next season 

Edited yesterday at 12:24 AM by BillsFan130

[PatsFanNH]

1 hour ago, boyst said:

Eason went to the Jets as a backup after his time in NE. #11 there. But was a backup to O'Brien. 

 

Tecmo super bowl, brah.

 

Berry was the coach when NE was a ***** show version of the Bengals back then.

 

I was also 5 in 1986...

Eason was before Grogan. Eason had his roster spot taken by Flutie. Lol

Lmao Raymond Berry was the HC that brought them on that Cinderella run to the SB in 86. Eason got broken BADLY in that SB let’s just say “he was seeing ghosts” lol..

 

flutie was only a patriot during the scab year and when BB was coach..

[50yrpatsfan]

4 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

I admit the +2 job McDaniels did with Mac Jones. 

My opinion of him as OC is strongly influenced by his time in St Louis, where I had a ring-side seat to his destruction of Sam Bradford (who resurrected himself x3 with Shottenheimer and Shurmur, proving he could actually play QB)

From what I hear, McDaniels also was hugely involved with the offensive design and playcalling in Las Vegas and the results were....not good.

 

McDaniels is a 3x SB winning OC, plus a 4th SB where the Pats had 600 yards of offense and they lost. He's tied with Andy Reid as the most prolific OC in the game.

Edited yesterday at 01:00 AM by 50yrpatsfan

[boyst]

6 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Lmao Raymond Berry was the HC that brought them on that Cinderella run to the SB in 86. Eason got broken BADLY in that SB let’s just say “he was seeing ghosts” lol..

 

flutie was only a patriot during the scab year and when BB was coach..

Um no sir. Lololololllllooolllllll

You really are showing how fair weather and newfan you are.

 

Flutie played for a few years with the Patriots in the late 80s and 90s. He was competing for a backup roll. 

 

Pathetic when I know your team better than you. 

 

 

Hahahahaha the shame you should be given publicly dor this kind of repeated offense is blistering

[That's No Moon]

12 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

flutie was only a patriot during the scab year and when BB was coach..

Not to tell you your teams business, but this is not accurate.

[Offside Number 76]

17 minutes ago, PatsFanNH said:

Eason got broken BADLY in that SB let’s just say “he was seeing ghosts” lol..

 

Eason couldn't even handle McMahon on Johnny Carson, FFS.  He was a scared child.

[stevewin]

5 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:

A slaughterhouse of meatheads?

Slaughter of Meatheads is good - like Murder of Crows 

[sven233]

2 hours ago, TPS said:

This is why I'm surprised (or not?) that so many people here think he hasn't done much?  Maybe because pressures aren't in the box score?  I notice him near the QB (pressure) several times every game. The sacks will come.

 

Yeah.....  It's because of the lack of finish.  Everyone is high on Walker, and hopefully rightfully so, because he makes splash plays.  He's finished in both the pass and run game at times.  But if you watch Sanders, he does get pressure up the middle more than you think, but because there is no finish, you don't think about him as much.  But he has forced some good plays himself.  The problem with both of these DTs is that they are struggling with gap integrity and are getting washed out in the run game way too much.  Walker will make a couple of eye popping plays per game, but many of those come off of him cheating his gap.  He'll backside a play where he's supposed to be 1 gap over and make a play in the backfield sometimes.  But there are times he cheats and takes himself completely out of the play and that's why there are big runs against us sometimes.  I don't think Sanders cheats as much and that's why you don't see the splash plays in the run game.  The problem is, though, even with him being in the right gap, he is still getting washed out way more than you want to see.

 

Look....it's not easy playing DT.  There is a lot more than you think that goes into it.  What you hope is that these guys learn to stay home, be in the right gap which probably keeps a LB free to fill in the hole.  Do your 1/11th.  But these guys have 13 more games to figure this all out before we need them to be at the next level for the Playoffs.  Hopefully they both improve each week.