McDermott decision making

[Rochesterfan]

21 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

By not having a (good) process in place to challenge plays e.g. Tyreek’s Bobble, Josh Allen’s 1st down against the Ravens, we are at a big disadvantage especially when we play better teams/coaches. 
 

I see those 2 non challenges as big mistakes on Sean Mc and without timely mistakes from D Henry and The Dolphins we could easily be 1-2 vs 3-0.
 

Tonight I have McDermotts actions directly leading to 11 points for the dolphins (challenge would have put them 4th and 4 on the 1st drive - 7 points , and the bizarre time outs at the end of the half allowed Miami to go for a TD when they were content running the clock to keep Josh off the field - 4 extra points) Without that gift of the roughing the kicker penalty we could’ve easily lost last night because of these decisions. 
 

Does this concern anyone else or am I missing something? 

 

I think you would be complaining when he challenged them and lost both.  It would have cost him the Ravens game if he had challenged the spot as if we lost it (and almost assuredly they would have still marked him short).

 

The hill bobble it looked like he still had 1 foot down with control and the 2nd foot came down in bounds.  It was close, but I think it was the right call as they did not overturn it with the “eye in the sky” that they also use.

 

So overall - since you have no idea of the process and the Bills brought in an ex Ref to review these - I think I will be fine with the current process rather than whiney complaining.

[sullim4]

14 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

yeah, we got John Perry, as I recall? I think he was the former head of officiating.

 

Does Parry still work for the Bills?  I don't see anything on the team website that shows him on staff.

[BuffaloBillyG]

I never surprises me that the average Joe, sitting on their couch with picture perfect and slowed down camera angles knows better what to do after 14 hours then the coach who sees one quick angle and has 40 seconds to decide.

[billvernsays]

1 minute ago, Rochesterfan said:

 

I think you would be complaining when he challenged them and lost both.  It would have cost him the Ravens game if he had challenged the spot as if we lost it (and almost assuredly they would have still marked him short).

 

The hill bobble it looked like he still had 1 foot down with control and the 2nd foot came down in bounds.  It was close, but I think it was the right call as they did not overturn it with the “eye in the sky” that they also use.

 

So overall - since you have no idea of the process and the Bills brought in an ex Ref to review these - I think I will be fine with the current process rather than whiney complaining.

You’re probably right. Go Bills 

[Bruffalo]

If it was obvious as a lot of posters keep saying it was, why didn't replay assist step in and overturn it? This seems very nitpicky, honestly. 

 

I haven't watched it since the broadcast, but I don't remember thinking it was obviously not a possession.

[Miyagi-Do Karate]

2 minutes ago, sullim4 said:

Does Parry still work for the Bills?  I don't see anything on the team website that shows him on staff.

I thought so. They hired him in 2024, and I never heard that he left.

[Johnny Bravo]

21 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The TOs at the end of the first half were the stupidest use of TOs.  You didn't have the third TO to use on 3rd down, so why not let the clock work for you?  Get the Fish to use their TOs and let them run out of time or kick the FG.  Stopping the clock there gave them the time to score the TD.  Just ***** stupid.

The Dolphins had all the time they needed to score.  Our timeouts were to preserve time for us after they did.

[Paup 1995MVP]

15 minutes ago, billvernsays said:

I hear you but QB slides are a little different IMO. He had the ball up the field the spot was at least a yard off from reality, I think at that point in the game getting to 3rd and inches (at least) was the right move but why don’t our reporters even ask the questions to him? 
 

He's big an accountability for everyone else it seems. 

I agree with you on the spot on Josh's slide.  He was clearly past the 1st down marker in live time.  It was a terrible spot.  Terry McCauley in the NBC booth, (who usually sides with the refs) said it was clearly an erroneous spot.  Someone on the Bills sideline should have seen the initial replay (or even in live time) told McDermott to challenge.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

I never surprises me that the average Joe, sitting on their couch with picture perfect and slowed down camera angles knows better what to do after 14 hours then the coach who sees one quick angle and has 40 seconds to decide.

 

Except that's not the case at all. It's that the people that are hired to watch the same thing we do with picture perfect and slowed down camera angles and whom this is literally their professional job to relay what to challenge and what not to are not good at it and have not been for McD's 9 years here. 

[Doc Brown]

12 minutes ago, harmonkillebrew said:

That non-challenge on the Hill bobble catch was a big mistake. They need to review their processes and get it right. 

They wouldn't have had enough to overturn it.  Seemed to me he bobbled it slightly, gained possession, and still barely kept that left foot on the ground and got his right foot down in bounds.

Edited September 19 by Doc Brown

[Rocky Landing]

2 minutes ago, Paup 1995MVP said:

I agree with you on the spot on Josh's slide.  He was clearly past the 1st down marker in live time.  It was a terrible spot.  Terry McCauley in the NBC booth, (who usually sides with the refs) said it was clearly an erroneous spot.  Someone on the Bills sideline should have seen the initial replay (or even in live time) told McDermott to challenge.  

For what it's worth, when Josh got up from that slide, it looked like he walked away, shaking his head, like he thought he had slid early.

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Clock management is hands down McDermott’s worst trait as a coach. Those time outs during the end of the half were ridiculous. Did they really think they were going to do much with 30 seconds and no time outs ? Even if that’s your goal then let Miami use THEIR time outs first. They executed that drive perfectly for the TD and left 11 seconds for us. 
 

The non-challenge on the bobbled Tyreek catch. If a normal fan can see it from their couch then there is no excuse for an NFL coach. Drive led to 7 points. Just mind boggling. I hope they learn from these mistakes because you can’t be pulling that crap in the playoffs. 

[TheBrownBear]

17 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I mean I still think we can win it in spite of him, but it is true that there is zero accountability for McD. Not for his defenses that have killed us in literally 6 postseasons in a row or his game management including being one of the worst at challenges in the league for such a long time. It's always someone else's fault. 

Seriously, what does "accountability for McD" even look like outside of firing him?  The guy has won 5 straight division titles and taken us to the playoffs in 7 of 8 years after inheriting an organization that hadn't made the playoffs in 17 years.  He's made changes at OC, DC and ST coordinator over the years in an effort to make us better and get us over the hump - it's not as if he isn't aware or trying to address issues as they arise. Trust me, I wish he was perfect too, but we need to be realistic, the guy has built something special and ain't getting fired absent some type of complete collapse and likely multiple missed postseasons.  So, for everyone that hates the guy and wants him gone, then I guess you should wish for that outcome.

[GunnerBill]

He should have challenged the Hill non catch. But I don't think it was a failure of process. They are quick enough to challenge when they need to. That was a personal failure of their challenge advisor. 

 

The timeouts at the end of the half were fine. When you defer you want the double dip. They had them in 2nd and long. The problem was lacl of execution on defense not the time outs.

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Clock management is hands down McDermott’s worst trait as a coach. Those time outs during the end of the half were ridiculous. Did they really think they were going to do much with 30 seconds and no time outs 

The Bills against the Ravens literally had 30 seconds left with no timeouts at their own 25 at the end of the first half.  We got a field goal.

[Buffalo Boy]

   He  is a wise and stable genius and if something under his management appears to not be working or correct it is clearly not his fault or responsibility.

    Am I doing this right??? 

Edited September 19 by Buffalo Boy

[BananaB]

40 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The TOs at the end of the first half were the stupidest use of TOs.  You didn't have the third TO to use on 3rd down, so why not let the clock work for you?  Get the Fish to use their TOs and let them run out of time or kick the FG.  Stopping the clock there gave them the time to score the TD.  Just ***** stupid.

What’s weird is he has Brady calling the slow methodical game to limit possessions, but then calls the TOs with 50 seconds left and Miami at 30 like Tua was gonna go for the endzone…. Then what, when Miami backs off and finally covers deep he expects Allen to play Superman and pick them apart down field, with a few seconds on the clock. 

Edited September 19 by BananaB

[transplantbillsfan]

That non-challenge irritated me because it was so obvious on such a huge play. And to top it off the broadcast didn't even bring it up.

[GoBills808]

2 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

   He  is a wise and stable genius and if something under his management appears to not be working or correct it is clearly not his fault or responsibility.

    Am I doing this right??? 

Yes

[Mango]

47 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

on that non challenge, isn’t it our booth guy’s fault? He tells McD to challenge or not. 

 

Our AV team also does a terrible job of getting important replays on the big board in the stadium. 

I keep my Fubo running on my phone/in my pocket when I am at home games. I often get the TV feed to give me a replay or two before the next snap and it never shows up on the scoreboard. 

Our inability to get meaningful replays up live for coach to see for his/the refs own eyes has been a major criticism of mine for years now. It is supposed to be a huge part of homefield advantage. 

Get good replays up fast to help with making challenge decisions and keep bad replays to yourself so the opposite HC is running blind.