Well, another worthless stat..total QBR

[Rich Stadium Original]

Just came across this on ESPN site. According to that metric, Allen had the 11th best statistical QB performance for the weekend...which shows some flaws in the system. For those of you keeping track, Jackson finished #1.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/qbr

[MJS]

QBR way overrates rushing. That's always been a big flaw.

[SydneyBillsFan]

Josh ......112.0

 

Lamar....144.4

 

 

Josh is passing against a secondary loaded with first round picks, whilst Lamar is picking on a combination of rookies/sophomores and athletically limited DB's.

 

Lamar also has the benefit of a generational monster RB that allows him to pass in situations where the box is stacked.

 

Josh also passes for 180 more yards and with a similar completion percentage.

 

And yet - somehow Lamar has a substantially better passer rating.

 

I don't get it.

 

 

[julian]

I just like to let my eyes tell me everything I need to know about a performance on the field.

 

 I’m still treating my NFL viewing experience like it’s 1987, before we needed nerds with calculators to tell us who is better than who.

[GoBills808]

passer rating is a dinosaur

[TheWeatherMan]

30 point penalty for having arm arrogance.  

[TheBrownBear]

It's mostly an efficiency metric and seems to heavily weigh yards per attempt, so it makes sense that Lamar was rated higher. It doesn't measure clutchness or the quality of your throws and is no substitute for the eye test.

[Buffalo716]

41 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Josh ......112.0

 

Lamar....144.4

 

 

Josh is passing against a secondary loaded with first round picks, whilst Lamar is picking on a combination of rookies/sophomores and athletically limited DB's.

 

Lamar also has the benefit of a generational monster RB that allows him to pass in situations where the box is stacked.

 

Josh also passes for 180 more yards and with a similar completion percentage.

 

And yet - somehow Lamar has a substantially better passer rating.

 

I don't get it.

 

 

It's just an outdated mathematical number 

 

Obviously having a number in the hundreds is better than a number in the 70s or 80s 

 

But it's far from perfect, same with QBR

 

These ratings have flaws

[Ray Stonada]

It can’t factor in the effect Henry has on a defense and how the QB benefits, or the effect having Andy Reid scheming up plays has on your performance…

 

Eye test is enough. If stats were everything, Lamar would have won MVP

[FireChans]

2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said:

Josh ......112.0

 

Lamar....144.4

 

 

Josh is passing against a secondary loaded with first round picks, whilst Lamar is picking on a combination of rookies/sophomores and athletically limited DB's.

 

Lamar also has the benefit of a generational monster RB that allows him to pass in situations where the box is stacked.

 

Josh also passes for 180 more yards and with a similar completion percentage.

 

And yet - somehow Lamar has a substantially better passer rating.

 

I don't get it.

 

 

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/qb-rating.htm

[Matt_In_NH]

It is not useless but like all stats it does not tell the whole story.  If you view it as a ranking of qbs from 1 to n that is useless

[eball]

I know some people hate using W-L record as a measuring stick for QBs but it matters.  Lamar played a technically and statistically great game, but he didn’t make any plays on their final three drives to win the game.  I’d be willing to bet if you asked him he’d say the same thing and give Josh the credit.

 

[gobills404]

Because completion percentage is the only thing you mentioned that actually affects passer rating

[MJS]

Jackson had a really high yards per attempt at 11.0. Josh Allen's was 8.6. Jackson also had a higher completion percentage. That is why his score is a lot higher. Also, he scored as many passing TDs as Allen, but with far fewer attempts.

 

Passer rating isn't a measure of the quality or production of passing. It is a measure of the efficiency of the passing. It measures completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, and interception percentage.

 

It's a perfectly good measure of a QB. It isn't flawed or antiquated. It means what it means and it doesn't mean anything else. It should be taken into consideration with other stats to understand the performance of the QB. Lamar Jackson was indeed a much more efficient passer than Josh Allen in week 1. He produced what he did with far fewer passes than Allen, so his efficiency score is higher even if his production wasn't.

Edited September 10 by MJS

[SoonerBillsFan]

5 hours ago, GoBills808 said:

passer rating is a dinosaur

I quit looking at that stat years ago.

[finn]

4 minutes ago, MJS said:

Jackson had a really high yards per attempt at 11.0. Josh Allen's was 8.6. Jackson also had a higher completion percentage. That is why his score is a lot higher. Also, he scored as many passing TDs as Allen, but with far fewer attempts.

 

Passer rating isn't a measure of the quality or production of passing. It is a measure of the efficiency of the passing. It measures completion percentage, yards per attempt, touchdown percentage, and interception percentage.

 

It's a perfectly good measure of a QB. It isn't flawed or antiquated. It means what it means and it doesn't mean anything else. It should be taken into consideration with other stats to understand the performance of the QB. Lamar Jackson was indeed a much more efficient passer than Josh Allen in week 1. He produced what he did with far fewer passes than Allen, so his efficiency score is higher even if his production wasn't.

Good point. It's just a metric, useful as long as clear what it's measuring. Same with QBR and EPA. (As I recall, Lamar is higher than Allen in QBR, too, but lower in EPA.)

[boyst]

Jackson got a lil boo boo and had to pull himself because he's baby soft charmin.

 

That's the measure I looked at...

[Augie]

Passer rating does not tell you who is clutch (a real MVP), and who is more likely to choke in the big moment. 

[BearNorth]

38 minutes ago, MJS said:

Also, he scored as many passing TDs as Allen, but with far fewer attempts.

Josh's QB sneaks & Cook's runs on the goal line basically vulture his passer rating.  If Bills had scored on the Hawes catch instead of it being at the 1 yard line, Josh's passer rating would have been 119+, similarly if Cook had scored instead of being tackled at the 2 after his 51 yard run, passer rating would have been 126+ with 4 TD's. 

 

Edited September 10 by BearNorth

[bearstobills]

This one is even more fun....

Dataroma

@ffdataroma

Keon Coleman separation metrics in Week 1, per

@FantasyPtsData

(min 10 routes): Separation Score: -0.049 (88th of 105 WRs) Route Win Rate: 0.0% (tied for last)