WGR Discussing McD's job security

[ChevyVanMiller]

50 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

It would have been far more interesting if they had McDermott and Beane on to talk about Schoop and Bulldog's job security.

[RoscoeParrish]

4 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said:

No coach has ever won another Super Bowl with a different team

Uh what

 

Bruce Arians won in Tampa after being fired by the Cardinals

 

Andy Reid had quite a long career in Philly before he won in KC.

Edited August 8 by RoscoeParrish

[Einstein]

I like McDermott. A lot. I truly believe he is a great person.

But if we lose to KC againnnnn this playoffs. How can the players ever honestly believe we will overcome it without change?

[Virgil]

17 minutes ago, Logic said:

Nick Wright's comments really hit me this morning.

He showed a list of the 30 QBs in NFL history with 6+ playoff wins. 

29 of them have appeared in a Super Bowl. 1 has not, and it's Josh Allen.

He also showed the list of head coaches with 6+ playoff wins to never make a Super Bowl. It's just McDermott and Chuck Knox. That's it.

I have to be honest...it gave me pause. It made me think. I'm not sure how many more "lose to the Chiefs by 3 points in a divisional round or AFCCG" game I can take. At some point, as hard as it is to contemplate, a head coach change would have to be considered.

The problem, as I see it, is I'm not so sure I have faith in Pegula and co to pick an upgrade at head coach, let alone one that gets along as synergetically with Brandon Beane. 

I'm firmly somewhere in between "one or two more years of playoff exits in KC should mean the axe for McD" and "Be careful what you wish for, look at the Sabres".

Ugh.

 

I saw the same thing, but was afraid to mention Wright on here, due to the most likely well-deserved visceral reactions.  But yes, that was eye opening and disheartening.  I hate to say that, besides his KC homerism, his takes can be pretty spot on. 

[Rousseauisnoschmo]

Going to need at least two more massive playoff blunders before its even considered. Sadly I think thats inevitable. He simply lacks the decision making skills needed in the biggest moments. Hoping Josh gets lucky like Elway did and gets a head coach who can bring this team across the finish line in the twilight of his career like Shanahan did.

[boater]

We have not had a good Fire McD thread in quite a while.

 

There is so much new information to mull over since the last one.  /s

[RoscoeParrish]

53 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Was listening to WGR yesterday and someone called into ask what Schoop and Bulldog would need to see happen for McD to get fired after this season.  There answer and reasoning honestly surprised me, and also seemed like a course correction from prior years from them.

 

They both stated that the Bills switching to the new stadium next year should prevent McD from being fired under most circumstances, even missing the playoffs.  They both stated that a catastrophic PR issue or the entire team falling off a cliff could change things, but that's about it.

 

I know we have a thread about McD every year,  and even I've been thinking about this more since last years playoff exit.  To me, if we get knocked out of the playoffs again and the defense is the main reason why (giving up 25+ points again), then I think it's time to move on from McD.  I'm not a McD hater by any means.  I will always be grateful for the culture he's brought to this team and the winning we've since pulling us from the drought.  However, if our D (his specialty) fails us again, then I feel very confident to say that McD has taken us as far as he can as a coach.  It doesn't mean he's a bad coach, just means he's not a Superbowl caliber coach.  I know McD would get hired almost immediately by another team that is looking to recreate the Buffalo success and we would be taking a chance on anyone else.  But I also believe we would have our choice of HC candidates.  

 

I guess I'm just at the point where these playoffs losses haven't been talent related so much as they've been outcoached and outschemed.  We put so much focus on the defensive roster over the years, especially this year, that it's time to put up or shut up.  If not, then we are just defining insanity by running it back.

I love McD. I think he’s an awesome coach.

 

I don’t know how he doesn’t lose the locker room with another Chiefs playoff loss.

 

If the Bills beat the Chiefs and lose in the Super Bowl, outside of a disastrous choke in the big game, I’m fine to run it all back.

 

I just don’t know how Dawkins and the rest of the gang will still be receptive to the McD message after 0-5. It can’t be possible.

[Lost]

8 minutes ago, Logic said:

The problem, as I see it, is I'm not so sure I have faith in Pegula and co to pick an upgrade at head coach, let alone one that gets along as synergetically with Brandon Beane. 
 

 

If we don't get to the dance in the next 2 years, Beane should bear as much of the blame as McDermott and should get sent packing along with him.   He's done a lot of things as GM that deserve a lot of criticism.   Kaiir Elam, The Von Miller albatross contract.   Giving Stefon Diggs big contract extension and then trading him.  Overpaying guys like Dawson Knox.  Under valuing receivers and then panic signing a bunch of redundant slot guys when it's clear we don't have enough talent at the position.    Signing two defensive guys who are going to be suspended for the first third of the season.  There's probably a lot more I'm forgetting.

 

 

[SirAndrew]

I want to see improvement against KC in the playoffs, or hopefully just avoid them straight to a Super Bowl victory. McD is a great coach. However, I’ll never feel comfortable about our chances while this apparent mental block against KC exists. This coaching staff and team is absolutely intimidated by KC in the playoffs. The decision making ability of the staff goes straight down the toilet against KC in the playoffs. It’s exactly what people nervous people do. Blame Kincaid, the officials, or whoever you want for the AFCCG loss, but we made some really awful coaching decisions in that game. No one will ever change my mind on that. 

[JP51]

I think short of missing the playoffs and losing the locker room he is here next year especially with the new stadium opening... 

[RoscoeParrish]

7 minutes ago, Einstein said:

I like McDermott. A lot. I truly believe he is a great person.

But if we lose to KC againnnnn this playoffs. How can the players ever honestly believe we will overcome it without change?

Some folks see it differently but I agree.

 

i think “I don’t fire McD until he loses the locker room” vs. “i fire him if he loses to the Chiefs again” is the same take. 
 

I can’t imagine he DOESN’T lose the locker room if he loses to the Chiefs again. It would be an even more unprecedented 1 sided postseason W/L.

[DCOrange]

I have sort of mixed feelings on him, but I think my main take is that McD is a top 10 coach and that's very difficult to find. There's a very high likelihood that anyone you get to replace him will be a demonstrably worse coach. Having said that, sometimes the message gets stale and you simply need a new messenger even if they aren't technically as good a coach.

 

On the flipside, I think there often comes a time where you see a coach and team come up short in the same way over and over again and it feels apparent that the coach just isn't improving and as a result, there's really no hope that the next year will be the breakthrough. I don't really feel that way with McD. Every year he's become a bit better making decisions, a bit better with his offensive aggressiveness, etc. (challenge decisions notwithstanding). And I think last season was the best coaching job of his career given all the attrition we had on the defensive side of the ball. Like, for the system we run, the intelligence and composure that Hyde and Poyer brought to the defensive backfield was maybe the main driver of the defense and the safety position was a ***** ton worse last year and McD still found a way to make it mostly work for us.

 

There's probably a worst case scenario type of season that could change my mind, but as things currently stand, I think it would be a very bad idea to move on even if we come up a little short again this season.

[Coach Tuesday]

The analysis should be on Pegula not McD.

 

Look at Terry's comments in HK Ep. 1: "Hire competent people and then trust them to do their jobs."

 

Look at Kevyn Adams' tenure.

 

McD isn't going anywhere.

[Albany,n.y.]

5 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Uh what

 

Bruce Arians won in Tampa after being fired by the Cardinals

 

Andy Reid had quite a long career in Philly before he won in KC.

I'll clarify it for you because I guess I wasn't clear enough: By another I meant they did it before.  No coach who won a Super Bowl has ever gone to ANOTHER team and won ANOTHER Super Bowl.  There has never been a coach in NFL history who has won Super Bowls with 2 or more franchises.  Neither Arians nor Reid had won a Lombardi in their previous coaching stints. Coaches have gone to Super Bowls with more than 1 team, but they never won with any other team than the one they won it all with. Some before like Parcells, who lost with NE after winning with the Giants, and some like Reid who lost the Super Bowl with his 1st team & won it with his 2nd. 

 

[LABILLBACKER]

51 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I'm not arguing with any of that.  We just seem to be on the other end of these "Calls" or random plays too much.

 

Let me ask you this.  If we got the 1 seed and lost to KC at home in the AFC championship this year, 38-35 because we couldn't get a stop, sack, or turnover.  Would you want to keep McD?  For me, I know that's a great season, but I'd be ready to try something different.  

I've been willing to try something different since 13s.  His defenses just can't stop KC, yet Josh plays well enough to win.  This love affair with culture has to eventually run dry....right?  But if you're satisfied with yearly regular season dominance,  then this is your jam.  

 

I think Terry has no intention of moving on from McD, regardless of ever making a SB.  And the new stadium probably guarantees him a few more years of protection. I think sadly by the time this organization considers replacing Sean it will be too late.  Josh will be out of his prime.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

11 minutes ago, Virgil said:

 

I saw the same thing, but was afraid to mention Wright on here, due to the most likely well-deserved visceral reactions.  But yes, that was eye opening and disheartening.  I hate to say that, besides his KC homerism, his takes can be pretty spot on. 

Yes and no imho. For a good little while (whether due to his instinctive need to defend Patty Mahomes at every turn at Josh’s expense) all he could do was dish out haterade on Josh, fully undeserved. I do agree that he can sometimes drop great truth bombs where KC is NOT a part of the conversation (like NFC team discussions and the like). 

[NewEra]

If our D gets blasted again in another season ending loss, I wouldn’t be opposed to moving on as long as we hire a coordinator that is extremely promising or someone with a great resume as a HC.  

That said, I don’t think Terry would fire McD for at least 2-3 more seasons.  I think his job is safe

[ddaryl]

If Kevin Adams can still be employed by the Sabres then the only way McD gets fired is if he did something too embarassing that the Franchise could not ignore

Edited August 8 by ddaryl

[lookylookyherecomescookie]

   Given Pegula's coaching hire history (Sabres-Rolston,Nolan, Bylsma,Housley, Krueger, Granato, Ruff).   (Bills- Marrone,  Rex 'don't let him out of the building'  Ryan), to even consider the thought of McDermott   (86-45, 5 straight afc east titles) being replaced is ludicrous.  Begs the question:  with all due respect,   WGR listeners vs. WGR callers?   your thoughts

[MJS]

Whether anyone likes it or not, he is the coach and there is virtually no realistic scenario of him getting fired at the end of this season. He would have to miss the playoffs for a couple of years at least for that to happen.