Who is the worst franchise QB in the NFL?

[Alphadawg7]

49 minutes ago, FireChans said:

I always find this discussion really interesting. Most fans of the NFL agree with their top 5-10 QB's, in varying orders.

 

We also all agree largely on the guys who stink or are just unknown.

 

But who is the new Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in the NFL?  The guy who is the "last' of the franchise QBs.

 

IMO, some of the contenders are:

 

Geno

Purdy

Tua

Baker

Lawrence

 

Baker has no business being on this list IMO.  Baker is definitely a top 10 QB right now, and I don't think its really disputable at this point based on how he played last year.  Purdy is better than this too

[nuklz2594]

thinking aaron rodgers ny jets tenure was brutal

1 hour ago, JP51 said:

100% to me there is no competition between the acrimony he brings, the cap he takes up, never being available, and over all performance... this guy is a mike drop for worst franchise guy... 

browns being the browns

[mushypeaches]

I will never fear playing Miami as long as Tua is the starter there

[MJS]

I'll have to vote for Dak Prescott. Paid like a superstar QB, but doesn't have the ability to put the team on his back. He can beat up on mediocre teams, but can't produce in big time games or the playoffs. I think Tua is in the same boat.

[PonyBoy]

31 minutes ago, Special K said:

Tua Turntheballova for sure.

 

Weak arm......made of glass.....too small.....one head shot away from his brain being swiss cheese.

 

Dak is overrated because he is on the Cowboys......if he was on any other team, he would hardly be mentioned, IMO.

 

Tua Turntheballova & Scottie "No Tippin" Pippen have to be the 2 best derogatory nicknames ever! 😀

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, FireChans said:

The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.

Baker was my 8th best QB. He doesn’t belong in this conversation. He isn’t a fringe guy. 4500 yards and 41 TDs is not a low end franchise guy. 

[mannc]

Deshawn Watson

[boater]

This conversation supports the notion: The college system doesn't grow enough QB's to quality stock 32 NFL teams. About 10 teams have to field some real schnooks.

 

This is why I view NFL expansion with a wary eye. QB play in an expanded league will be dreadful.

[BuffaloBillyG]

My vote is for Kyler Murray. Not because he IS a franchise QB, but because the Cards have treated him like one 

[Albany,n.y.]

3 hours ago, RobbRiddick said:

That's a good question. But to get there you have to decide how many true franchise QBs there are. I mean how many guys would you say "here is a player you could take and build a team around and him being on the field will get you X amount of extra wins"?

 

Obviously Mahomes, Allen, Jackson and Burrow. Then some of the younger guys possibly who still aren't fully proven like Bo and Daniels. But there are plenty of guys with franchise QB contracts I don't consider true franchise QBs. A few older vets like Stafford.

 

Dak to me is the one that comes to mind. Plenty of people love him, and when he's on he's great but so often I see him and think he's pretty pedestrian. Goff has been great the last few years but is he really a franchise QB? I love Baker and defended him a lot here when people were writing him off but again, not sure he's true franchise QB material.

 

Lawrence is in no way shape or form a franchise QB, other than his contract. Tua actually proved something when you see how bad that offense is without him. He's a system QB who runs that system perfectly in the right conditions but we all know what happens in bad weather and when he has to improvise. He's like a comedian who is great when he's sticking to a script someone else has written but goes to pieces when he has to ad lib. 

 

I think the title question is inaccurate.  Instead of who is the worst franchise QB, it should be who is the worst QB being paid like a franchise QB.  At the start of last season, the answer was pretty clear cut: Daniel Jones. Now I think the candidate for worst contract (outside of the sidelined Deshaun Watson who is the clear #1 as long as Cleveland is paying him) is Brock Purdy.  

Edited 3 hours ago by Albany,n.y.

[Alphadawg7]

3 hours ago, FireChans said:

The point of the conversation is that the last guy is supposed to be legit and a franchise QB.

 

Baker still has no business on this list, hes easily top 10 and I have him 7th overall right now.  

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

deshaun watson.....hands down

 

up and down...

[EasternOHBillsFan]

Worst? Dak, has to be... he performs worse than Tua, is regressing, and will never be replaced by the Jones clan. At least the Jags understand that Trevor Lawrence has to make good on their investment or he's out... all Dak has to do is collect checks.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

3 hours ago, Gregg said:

Justin Fields

 

Fields doesn't qualify as only signed to a 2 year contract.  I think what the OP is after is guys who've signed 2nd or 3rd contracts and are paid way more than they are worth and most importantly being paid like a top level QB, but don't play like one.  

 

Daniel Jones contact with Giants may have been borderline, though wasn't getting top $$

[wppete]

[saundena]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

I always find this discussion really interesting. Most fans of the NFL agree with their top 5-10 QB's, in varying orders.

 

We also all agree largely on the guys who stink or are just unknown.

 

But who is the new Andy Dalton or Derek Carr in the NFL?  The guy who is the "last' of the franchise QBs.

 

IMO, some of the contenders are:

 

Geno

Purdy

Tua

Baker

Lawrence

I can't agree with this list at all.  Baker is top 7 in my book and the rest, are no worse than mid 20's.

[FireChans]

33 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Baker still has no business on this list, hes easily top 10 and I have him 7th overall right now.  

What list?

 

Does anyone understand the question lol

[Hermes]

It might not be a popular pick but im going Jalen Hurts here. He's a franchise QB for sure and is coming off a SB MVP but so was Nick Foles.

 

There's a number of QBs I'd take for sure over him, including, in no particular order, Allen, mahomes, Burrow, Herbert, Daniels, and Jackson.

 

That's not including others like Prescott, Mayfield, Stroud, Tua, Darnold(?), and Maye(?). 

 

I mean if you give any of the first the same situation(ie elite talent on offense and defense) you'd expect similar results..

 

This also leads to my opinion, that many of the same list of QBs, would have similar success as mahomes given the surrounding coaching staff, offensive and defensive playmakers.

 

Heck, you could probably swap Hurts and mahomes and I'd reckon each franchise would be in essentially the same position

[Alphadawg7]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

IMO, some of the contenders are:

 

Geno

Purdy

Tua

Baker

Lawrence

 

21 minutes ago, FireChans said:

What list?

 

Does anyone understand the question lol

 

Your list - the list you wrote in your OP.  You started with a list of 5 QB's who were "contenders" as you said in your opinion for the "last" - aka worst - of the franchise QB's.   I like the question, but the inclusion of Baker as a contender is where I am saying he has no business being a part of this discussion.  He is a tier 2 QB behind tier 1 of Allen, Mahomes, Burrow, and Lamar.  

 

He is easily a top 10 overall NFL QB right now, and can be argued anywhere from 5th to 8th overall QB in the NFL right now.  I would have him at 6 or 7 overall at QB personally and no lower than 8th.  He is in a higher tier that players like Tua, Lawerence, etc.

 

I also don't think Purdy should have been mentioned either, as someone who has watched every game he has played I can say I think he is better than a lot of people want to give him credit for.  

Edited 1 hour ago by Alphadawg7

[Orlando Buffalo]

I also disagree with Geno being on the list since he is being paid 37 million a year, that is not franchise QB money. The top three albatross contracts are Dak, Lawrence, and Watson. Tua is overpaid primarily because he plays 12 games a year