Jauronimo Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 6/21/2025 at 4:59 PM, Kirby Jackson said: Really well said!! If you aren’t open, it’s hard to get volume. He might be a part time guy and a big play guy. Coleman should be getting all the bubble screens that used to go to Samuel. That will help him in terms of volume and he has the physicality to break off some nice yardage. I think he would be best used in the slot which is unfortunate for us since Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel are also lining up in the slot. He just isn't a much of a threat on the outside and I don't expect that to change much, sadly. 1 Quote
Royale with Cheese Posted July 14 Posted July 14 7 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Coleman should be getting all the bubble screens that used to go to Samuel. That will help him in terms of volume and he has the physicality to break off some nice yardage. I think he would be best used in the slot which is unfortunate for us since Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel are also lining up in the slot. He just isn't a much of a threat on the outside and I don't expect that to change much, sadly. I agree. With him, you are probably going to get a lot of 3-4 yard gains but always the threat to take it all the way to the house. He's like Bowser in MarioKart, big and gets faster after later in the run. If Coleman can get that good inside block and go untouched after the first 3-5 yards....he's gone. 1 Quote
MJS Posted July 14 Posted July 14 On 7/9/2025 at 5:34 PM, Sojourner said: Tough question as he isn’t the best at separating. Contested catches and RZ is where he’ll always make his living imo. Don’t know how you make that your bread and butter as a go to guy. He isn’t Moss or Megatron. Wholly agree in him having a role, it just might only be the above? He is actually best used as a big slot where he can get free separation and use his athleticism and strength for run after the catch. But I'm not sure the Bills want to use him that way. 17 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: Coleman should be getting all the bubble screens that used to go to Samuel. That will help him in terms of volume and he has the physicality to break off some nice yardage. I think he would be best used in the slot which is unfortunate for us since Shakir, Kincaid, and Samuel are also lining up in the slot. He just isn't a much of a threat on the outside and I don't expect that to change much, sadly. You beat me to it. 1 1 1 Quote
DapperCam Posted July 14 Posted July 14 I think Coleman would actually be a really great big slot. Those quick slants were some of our best plays last year. The problem is we have like 4 other slot receivers already (Samuel, Shakir and Kincaid, Moore?). 2 Quote
ColoradoBills Posted July 14 Posted July 14 3 hours ago, dollars 2 donuts said: (* Personally, I am not a fan of the "everybody eats" mantra) Personally, I like it A LOT. More teams should look into this. Brady is working on something that "could" be game changing. 1 1 Quote
NewEra Posted July 14 Posted July 14 1 hour ago, ColoradoBills said: Personally, I like it A LOT. More teams should look into this. Brady is working on something that "could" be game changing. Same. The defense never knows where the ball is going on any given play. Brady keeps them guessing and that puts a lot of pressure on the D. Everyone on our offense, even the backups, is capable of making huge plays. Last season, Mack Hollins made more big plays than any WR not named Shakir. And he made quite a few of them. Massive plays vs KC beating man coverage even though he wasn’t a known man beater. Sure, I’d love to have a superstar, but he’d be due 35M+ a year and would be the focus of every defense. We had a super star in Diggs and Spags found a way to minimize him playoff loss after playoff loss. 1 1 Quote
dollars 2 donuts Posted July 15 Posted July 15 16 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: Personally, I like it A LOT. More teams should look into this. Brady is working on something that "could" be game changing. 14 hours ago, NewEra said: Same. The defense never knows where the ball is going on any given play. Brady keeps them guessing and that puts a lot of pressure on the D. Everyone on our offense, even the backups, is capable of making huge plays. Last season, Mack Hollins made more big plays than any WR not named Shakir. And he made quite a few of them. Massive plays vs KC beating man coverage even though he wasn’t a known man beater. Sure, I’d love to have a superstar, but he’d be due 35M+ a year and would be the focus of every defense. We had a super star in Diggs and Spags found a way to minimize him playoff loss after playoff loss. I think it sometimes stifles or arrests the talent that you do have. I also think that there is potential for it to be inorganic or unnatural. In other words it can seem forced. Additionally, although it is disciplined I still think it neuters Josh's individual superlatives at times. I very much like Josh having the knowledge of what has happened lately, but I am also a big believer in "Let Josh Be Josh." 1 Quote
2003Contenders Posted July 15 Posted July 15 15 hours ago, NewEra said: Same. The defense never knows where the ball is going on any given play. Brady keeps them guessing and that puts a lot of pressure on the D. Everyone on our offense, even the backups, is capable of making huge plays. Last season, Mack Hollins made more big plays than any WR not named Shakir. And he made quite a few of them. Massive plays vs KC beating man coverage even though he wasn’t a known man beater. Sure, I’d love to have a superstar, but he’d be due 35M+ a year and would be the focus of every defense. We had a super star in Diggs and Spags found a way to minimize him playoff loss after playoff loss. Also, I think this also contributed to Josh's major improvement in the turnover department last season as he was no longer trying to force the ball to a "WR1" target a la Diggs. 1 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted July 15 Posted July 15 4 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Also, I think this also contributed to Josh's major improvement in the turnover department last season as he was no longer trying to force the ball to a "WR1" target a la Diggs. It’s an interesting theory but I’m not sure it’s borne out. Josh threw 13 picks targeting Diggs over 4 seasons. On extremely high volume, 644 targets. Josh threw 20 INTs targeting Gabe, on less than half that volume, 299 targets. I was a big Gabe fan but I think the narrative of him being responsible for a lot of the miscues and TO’s bear weight. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 15 Posted July 15 22 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said: It’s an interesting theory but I’m not sure it’s borne out. Josh threw 13 picks targeting Diggs over 4 seasons. On extremely high volume, 644 targets. Josh threw 20 INTs targeting Gabe, on less than half that volume, 299 targets. I was a big Gabe fan but I think the narrative of him being responsible for a lot of the miscues and TO’s bear weight. Gabe's average depth of target was considerably higher (about 15 vs. about 11) - and you throw more interceptions (and incompletions for that matter) the further down the field you throw the ball. Not to say they weren't in many ways tied to Gabe, but its a bit more nuanced than just INT's vs. targets. Quote
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 15 Posted July 15 55 minutes ago, 2003Contenders said: Also, I think this also contributed to Josh's major improvement in the turnover department last season as he was no longer trying to force the ball to a "WR1" target a la Diggs. I'd say this was tied in with a few things: More quick hitters contributes to fewer turnovers - and more effective quick hitters. Big bodied guys like kincaid, hollins, and coleman blocking was an improvement. Diggs was also really bad at the WR screens/swings. More throwaways and effort around mitigating turnovers Improved protection and pocket mobility leading to the leagues fewest sacks allowed A running game that allowed them to effectively manage the game More ball control just leading to fewer plays - Buffalo ran the 5th fewest offensive plays but had the 2nd highest points per drive. 2 Quote
RoscoeParrish Posted July 15 Posted July 15 27 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: Gabe's average depth of target was considerably higher (about 15 vs. about 11) - and you throw more interceptions (and incompletions for that matter) the further down the field you throw the ball. Not to say they weren't in many ways tied to Gabe, but its a bit more nuanced than just INT's vs. targets. Thats all very true. I didn’t mean to suggest it was without nuance. I only used Gabe as a comparison as where the TOs were coming from. ultimately, “forcing” the ball to Diggs didn’t lead to many TOs. 1 Quote
Carbonpoke Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Than michael irvin? And their 40s are similar Haven't checked leaping measurement yet I hated the herschal walker trade. Vikings built that Dallas dynasty Quote
RoyBatty is alive Posted July 17 Posted July 17 What is the point of this post, just random football trivia? 4 Quote
Augie Posted July 17 Posted July 17 6 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said: What is the point of this post, just random football trivia? It’s a brain teaser. How tall is Hershel Walker? 3 Quote
Prospector Posted July 17 Posted July 17 Well an African swallow, maybe. But they aren’t migratory Quote
Augie Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 minute ago, Prospector said: Well an African swallow, maybe. But they aren’t migratory But I’m going with blue, for sure. Everybody knows that. 1 1 Quote
H2o Posted July 17 Posted July 17 1 minute ago, NewEra said: Did Josh get married? No, but I hear he's ditching the Bills QB gig for a life in pistachios. 48 minutes ago, Carbonpoke said: Than michael irvin? And their 40s are similar Haven't checked leaping measurement yet I hated the herschal walker trade. Vikings built that Dallas dynasty Yeah, but Keon doesn't have that gameday 8 ball speed. 1 1 1 Quote
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