Keon Coleman success by route - Not pretty

[DJB]

And for reference here is Ladd who many of us vouched for 

 

 

Coleman needs to step up or Beane massively screwed this one up 

[oldmanfan]

Coleman needs to improve, as most rookies do going into their second year.  Beane has said this especially with respect to his play after coming back from injury.  Why assume he won’t?

[LEBills]

3 minutes ago, DJB said:

And for reference here is Ladd who many of us vouched for 

 

 

Coleman needs to step up or Beane massively screwed this one up 

Basically exactly what there college RP was:

 

 

[balln]

I just don’t get the pick beane . It’s not gonna end up being right.
 

Ladd >> Coleman 

 

Coleman will be out of the league in3-5 years 

Edited 9 hours ago by balln

[buffblue]

This has been posted ad nauseam. Coleman was a questionable pick and needs to improve significantly. But let's see what happens in his 2nd season. He did flash some real potential before the injury.

[julian]

Yeah I expect him to be stronger and improved, the McConkey comparison is useless to me, how much better will Coleman be compared to his rookie year, that’s the comparison that matters

[FLFan]

9 minutes ago, DJB said:

And for reference here is Ladd who many of us vouched for 

 

 

Coleman needs to step up or Beane massively screwed this one up 

They play different positions, but don’t let that stop you.

 

[Goin Breakdown]

14 minutes ago, DJB said:

And for reference here is Ladd who many of us vouched for 

 

 

Coleman needs to step up or Beane massively screwed this one up 

Beans going to call you a beatch

4 minutes ago, FLFan said:

They play different positions, but don’t let that stop you.

 

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but aren't they being judged by the same criteria. So if they don't play the same position and yet Ladd is grading out better at what Coleman is supposed to be better at then I'm not sure what's going on. 

[LEBills]

14 minutes ago, balln said:

I just don’t get the pick beane . It’s not gonna end up being right.
 

Ladd >> Coleman 

 

Coleman will be out of the league in3-5 years 

To be fair to Beane, he wanted to draft a player who could be a X Receiver and who could deal with the physicality in the playoffs that seemed to stymie Diggs.

 

McConkey is great and would have been a better pick but he did play almost 65% of his snaps in the slot this past year (where Shakir and Kincaid would normally play).

 

Funny enough tho, Matt Harmon’s recommendation to get more out of Coleman is to let him line up in the slot more. 

Edited 9 hours ago by LEBills

[FLFan]

10 minutes ago, Goin Breakdown said:

Beans going to call you a beatch

Maybe I'm reading it wrong but aren't they being judged by the same criteria. So if they don't play the same position and yet Ladd is grading out better at what Coleman is supposed to be better at then I'm not sure what's going on. 

It is useless to compare the two.  If you want to make a case that the Bills should have drafted McConkey, then compare him to Shakir and make that argument.  Coleman has a completely different role, unless someone wants to argue that McConkey could play the X which is the position the Bills were trying to fill with that pick.  

[Brandon]

That doesn't surprise me and it matches what I thought I saw in the last several games of the year.  

 

Hopefully he'll improve this year,  but I'm not overly optimistic.  

[Virgil]

Isn't McConkey more of a slot receiver and only 6'?  To me, McConkey was never on our board because we wanted an outside receiver, with Shakir in the slot.  

[oldmanfan]

4 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Isn't McConkey more of a slot receiver and only 6'?  To me, McConkey was never on our board because we wanted an outside receiver, with Shakir in the slot.  

Think you nailed it.  Young players need to show improvement year to year.  Coleman is no exception.  I just don’t understand the idea that he can’t improve.

[GASabresIUFan]

Ladd is a player who can play anywhere at any time.  We need good WRs.  Ladd should have the pick.  
 

By the way Ladd is the same height as Diggs and faster.  

Edited 8 hours ago by GASabresIUFan

[Starr Almighty]

So basically throw him slants all day like Micheal Thomas and he can be a possession WR

[VW82]

Move Keon to the slot and he'll have success. Many of us said prior to the draft that he looked more like a big slot. 

[Bruffalo]

McConkey had about double the target share than Coleman.  If you take Coleman's stat production and (unscientifically) extrapolate that to McConkey's target share they'd have almost identical stats.

 

I'm probably higher on Coleman still than most. He's got so much room to grow and he's in arguably the best organization in the NFL to do that.

[sven233]

As you all know, like many here, I was not a fan of the Coleman pick.  I had him rated as a late 3rd or 4rh rounder.  The fact is, if you can't get open in college, you are not going to get open in the NFL.  And that was shown last year.  Outside of a couple of plays where he was kind of schemed open and a couple of slants, he didn't make a lot of plays within the structure of the offense.  He made a couple plays deep down the field on scramble drill type stuff, but within the design of the play, it was rough going.  He was slow and had terrible footwork at the top of routes which allowed defenders to close extremely quickly if he did create a half step of separation.

 

The way I see it, to get anything out of him, 2 things need to happen.  First, you have to use him on routes where theoretically he can win (using him out of the slot more as well).  That means slants and short to intermediate stop routes.  Look.....we would all like him to become a complete WR and win down the field.  I just think that he is limited physically and will never create the separation you would hope for.  That leads me to the second thing.....  Coleman himself needs to realize he's not going to beat any CB in a foot race down the field and he has to make the decision to play physical at the top of routes.  With his size and strength, he needs to start playing bully ball to create separation.  Put him in the film room and have him watch every snap of Anquan Boldin's career.  Boldin couldn't run worth a darn either, but he had a long, successful career just bullying DBs with his big frame and strength.

 

I am not sure Coleman will ever develop into anything other than a depth WR at best.  In a dream scenario, he figures it out and he becomes a WR2 option, but he has a long way to go to get there.  Rooting for the guy to do it because he seems like a great kid and I always want guys to succeed.  It would help our offense dramatically if he finds a way to take a big step this season.

Edited 8 hours ago by sven233

[RoscoeParrish]

47 minutes ago, FLFan said:

It is useless to compare the two.  If you want to make a case that the Bills should have drafted McConkey, then compare him to Shakir and make that argument.  Coleman has a completely different role, unless someone wants to argue that McConkey could play the X which is the position the Bills were trying to fill with that pick.  

McConkey vs Shakir is not a comparison that bodes well for Shakir unfortunately. 

Edited 8 hours ago by RoscoeParrish

[GASabresIUFan]

By the way, Beane knows he blew the Coleman pick.  (40 4.61)

 

Since he made that pick, all the skill players on both sides of the ball have speed. 

 

At WR were have added Palmer (4.52 @ 6'1 210), Moore (4.35), and Prather (4.46),   

AT DB & S: Bishop (4.45), Forest (4.41), Hancock (4.42), Hairston (4.28), Strong (4.50)