Beane elaborates on the process of picking Josh Allen

[DJB]

 

Pretty insightful info . 

Edited 20 hours ago by DJB

[Shaw66]

Nice. Thanks 

[Doc Brown]

Josh Allen's last playoff win.

 

 

[uticaclub]

Does he talk about the process of picking Boogie Bashem, Cody Ford, Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid,.... 🤣

[Turbo44]

7 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Does he talk about the process of picking Boogie Bashem, Cody Ford, Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid,.... 🤣

Or benford or Bernard or brown or cook or Johnson or Shakir or Torrence….. waiting patiently

[BADOLBILZ]

10 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Does he talk about the process of picking Boogie Bashem, Cody Ford, Kaiir Elam, Dalton Kincaid,.... 🤣

 

 

We saw that with the original Bills Embedded.  

 

The lead-up to the Cody Ford pick was disgusting if you believed in either the concepts of BPA or premium positions.   "We need a right tackle".    It was gross.

 

I've generally liked Beane's drafting compared to all other prior Bills GM's.   Terrible second round drafting has been a Bills tradition so his struggles there are nothing news.   And I really appreciate how he manipulates the fan base and media.  He's doing it here in this clip.   If they were so sure Allen would be great they would have done one of these crazy trades like we saw with Cleveland and Jacksonville this spring.   They liked Allen a lot but they would have just picked a different QB.   It's their MO, they draft for need more often than not.  I had presumed most of that draft season that they would end up with Lamar Jackson just because he would be the only one of the top prospects left at 11 and was underrated as a passer, IMO. 

[Richard Noggin]

Swear I overheard Brandon Beane (shortly after he was hired) say he hopes "that Allen kid in Wyoming has a down year so we have a chance at him" when asked by a rich blowhard guest at Tempo about their draft plans at QB. I can see which table Beane was passing as he said this. I trust that memory less and less as time passes (might have been later in Beane's first season on the job, in reference to Allen's pre-draft process/athletic testing), but the memory persists in my rolodex of intimate team official interactions. 

 

I remember being terrified the Bills were targeting the Wrong Josh (Allen) that year (because I'm STUPID) much like I was worried they would pick Landon Jackson at 30 this past draft. 

[Aussie Joe]

Beane got pretend angry at Mad Max when he ran that fast  time at the combine ..

 

The only time Beane has been genuinely disappointed when one of “his guys” ran a slow time was AJE’s 5.04 … he still picked him in the second but told him to lose 40 pounds by training camp

[BillsFanForever19]

3 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

I remember being terrified the Bills were targeting the Wrong Josh (Allen) that year (because I'm STUPID) much like I was worried they would pick Landon Jackson at 30 this past draft. 

 

You weren't stupid for that. The league hadn't yet exploded into the all out passing league it became and the kind of hero ball, keep a play alive QB play that's made the pocket passer all but extinct.

 

It was true then and it's true now, 99.9% of the time if you're inaccurate in College - it isn't going to improve in the Pro's. Josh is the 0.1%. But he's the exception and not the rule.

 

It's been proven in recent years with the Drafting of guys like Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson that Drafting a QB based solely on size, a big arm, and some tools is practically always going to blow up in your face. Josh is just a unicorn.

 

Even after having Josh Allen, if we're in a situation like 2018 again and the prospects are what they were then - I'd still be against taking the Josh Allen like prospect.

Edited 14 hours ago by BillsFanForever19

[LEBills]

7 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

We saw that with the original Bills Embedded.  

 

The lead-up to the Cody Ford pick was disgusting if you believed in either the concepts of BPA or premium positions.   "We need a right tackle".    It was gross.

 

I've generally liked Beane's drafting compared to all other prior Bills GM's.   Terrible second round drafting has been a Bills tradition so his struggles there are nothing news.   And I really appreciate how he manipulates the fan base and media.  He's doing it here in this clip.   If they were so sure Allen would be great they would have done one of these crazy trades like we saw with Cleveland and Jacksonville this spring.   They liked Allen a lot but they would have just picked a different QB.   It's their MO, they draft for need more often than not.  I had presumed most of that draft season that they would end up with Lamar Jackson just because he would be the only one of the top prospects left at 11 and was underrated as a passer, IMO. 

Yea being an NFL GM is three parts I think. Media interactions, managing the cap and talent evaluation. I think Beane is one of the best in the NFL at the first two parts. 
 

Beane and his team are ok at talent evaluation too. Like you alluded to, and this kinda ties into his cap management, he does try to fill needs early in the draft that he couldn’t address under the cap with free agents. There have been many good players that have come out of the draft along with the misses. But I would definitely consider this the weaker part of Beane’s skill set as a whole, though he did hit on the most important pick ever. 

Edited 12 hours ago by LEBills

[bmur66]

I didn’t watch but the Bills were just lucky they were able to get Josh Allen because other teams messed up.

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

7 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Swear I overheard Brandon Beane (shortly after he was hired) say he hopes "that Allen kid in Wyoming has a down year so we have a chance at him" when asked by a rich blowhard guest at Tempo about their draft plans at QB.

 

5 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Beane got pretend angry at Mad Max when he ran that fast  time at the combine ..

 

 

Beane:  Sounds like he's better at poker and euchre, not so good at pinochle. 😁

[finn]

5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

You weren't stupid for that. The league hadn't yet exploded into the all out passing league it became and the kind of hero ball, keep a play alive QB play that's made the pocket passer all but extinct.

 

It was true then and it's true now, 99.9% of the time if you're inaccurate in College - it isn't going to improve in the Pro's. Josh is the 0.1%. But he's the exception and not the rule.

 

It's been proven in recent years with the Drafting of guys like Trey Lance and Anthony Richardson that Drafting a QB based solely on size, a big arm, and some tools is practically always going to blow up in your face. Josh is just a unicorn.

 

Even after having Josh Allen, if we're in a situation like 2018 again and the prospects are what they were then - I'd still be against taking the Josh Allen like prospect.

He's a unicorn, but his improved accuracy didn't just happen; he made it happen by committing himself to an offseason program with Palmer (forgot his first name). If Lance, Richardson, and other big-arm, athletic quarterbacks have shown similar single-minded devotion to improvement, I haven't heard of it. 

[The Firebaugh Kid]

A 17 year drought to be able to get number 17…. I don’t know guys…I think I might do it again. He is the most exciting player I’ve ever watched in the NFL. 

[uticaclub]

55 minutes ago, finn said:

He's a unicorn, but his improved accuracy didn't just happen; he made it happen by committing himself to an offseason program with Palmer (forgot his first name). If Lance, Richardson, and other big-arm, athletic quarterbacks have shown similar single-minded devotion to improvement, I haven't heard of it. 

Richardson & multiple other busts have also worked with Palmer. He's a smart coach, not a miracle worker.

Edited 9 hours ago by uticaclub

[Doc]

3 hours ago, bmur66 said:

I didn’t watch but the Bills were just lucky they were able to get Josh Allen because other teams messed up.

 

You could say the same for almost every team with a franchise QB (except for the Bengals, Texans and seemingly the Commanders).

Edited 8 hours ago by Doc

[SoMAn]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 If they were so sure Allen would be great they would have done one of these crazy trades like we saw with Cleveland and Jacksonville this spring.   

There’s nothing ‘sure’ in picking a prospect from the college ranks. They felt great about Josh, but what was the cost of moving into the top spot? Both 2018 1sts and 2019 1st and 2nd? 
Maybe something along those lines, I don’t know. 
Considering that there were other viable QBs with similar expectations (depending on any particular draft ‘expert’), giving up multiple premium picks as they’re trying to build for the future could have been a disaster - especially as the likely trade partners would have been division and/or AFC rivals. 
The maneuvering Beane did to get to #7 was brilliant, and the Bills and we fans were incredibly fortunate that The Browns, Jets, and Broncos all went for ‘the sure thing’.  
 

[Doc]

1 hour ago, finn said:

He's a unicorn, but his improved accuracy didn't just happen; he made it happen by committing himself to an offseason program with Palmer (forgot his first name). If Lance, Richardson, and other big-arm, athletic quarterbacks have shown similar single-minded devotion to improvement, I haven't heard of it. 

 

47 minutes ago, uticaclub said:

Richardson & multiple other busts have also worked with Palmer. He's a smart coach, not a miracle worker.

 

Josh always had the accuracy; it was the consistency of his mechanics that was the issue.  The others guys just don't have the accuracy even with consistency of their mechanics.

 

11 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

There’s nothing ‘sure’ in picking a prospect from the college ranks. They felt great about Josh, but what was the cost of moving into the top spot? Both 2018 1sts and 2019 1st and 2nd? 
Maybe something along those lines, I don’t know. 
Considering that there were other viable QBs with similar expectations (depending on any particular draft ‘expert’), giving up multiple premium picks as they’re trying to build for the future could have been a disaster - especially as the likely trade partners would have been division and/or AFC rivals. 
The maneuvering Beane did to get to #7 was brilliant, and the Bills and we fans were incredibly fortunate that The Browns, Jets, and Broncos all went for ‘the sure thing’.  

 

As I said above, you could say that every with a franchise QB not taken with the first 2 picks weren't "sure" since they didn't move into the top spots to get their QB.

[GaryPinC]

10 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

We saw that with the original Bills Embedded.  

 

The lead-up to the Cody Ford pick was disgusting if you believed in either the concepts of BPA or premium positions.   "We need a right tackle".    It was gross.

 

I've generally liked Beane's drafting compared to all other prior Bills GM's.   Terrible second round drafting has been a Bills tradition so his struggles there are nothing news.   And I really appreciate how he manipulates the fan base and media.  He's doing it here in this clip.   If they were so sure Allen would be great they would have done one of these crazy trades like we saw with Cleveland and Jacksonville this spring.   They liked Allen a lot but they would have just picked a different QB.   It's their MO, they draft for need more often than not.  I had presumed most of that draft season that they would end up with Lamar Jackson just because he would be the only one of the top prospects left at 11 and was underrated as a passer, IMO. 

I don't  agree WRT manipulating the fans about how much they liked Allen.  Giants still had Manning and wanted to grow the ground game to support him.  He couldn't knock CLE and NYJ out of their spots, so he was going to have to wait on those picks anyways.    Indy wasn't in the QB market and it sounds like Beane had enough Intel from Elway that theirs wouldn't be a QB.  He took a chance with Denver.  He may have also felt Lamar had a chance to be great, we don't know about that.

 

Also, Beane still had a franchise to construct so he wasn't going to mortgage their future picks too soon.

I have no problem taking Beane at his word on their Allen view pre-draft.

[PromoTheRobot]

38 minutes ago, SoMAn said:

There’s nothing ‘sure’ in picking a prospect from the college ranks. They felt great about Josh, but what was the cost of moving into the top spot? Both 2018 1sts and 2019 1st and 2nd? 
Maybe something along those lines, I don’t know. 
Considering that there were other viable QBs with similar expectations (depending on any particular draft ‘expert’), giving up multiple premium picks as they’re trying to build for the future could have been a disaster - especially as the likely trade partners would have been division and/or AFC rivals. 
The maneuvering Beane did to get to #7 was brilliant, and the Bills and we fans were incredibly fortunate that The Browns, Jets, and Broncos all went for ‘the sure thing’.  
 

 

Just curious, when was the last time a can't-miss QB in the draft panned out as expected? Seems to me it's the guys with questions that turn out better.