What’s the deal with Winston and Cousins?

[Mr. WEO]

Saints and Steelers both stumbled into HOF QBs.  Since then their absolutely moronic FO's have showed their true level of dysfunction.  

 

Tomlin would have been fired by now by any other team in the league.  Their QB situation since Big Ben retired has been only slightly less poorly handled than it always is in Cleveland.  Rooney is doddering.  

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

4 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

I'm just around college football programs way too much to understand why anybody think Arch Manning is coming out after this season lol

 

He literally couldn't beat out Quinn ewers who was a 7th round pick.. now does Quinn have a lot more talent than that and his fragility dropped him? Absolutely and NIL didn't help

 

But anybody who thinks Arch is going to waltz to the NFL after 12 college starts has no clue... The Manning family has been adamant he's going to stay four or five seasons and he's going to get 20 plus starts

 

The goal is to have three generations of successful Manning quarterbacks not three generations of just getting drafted and Arch is a bust... I don't even get where people think he's the number one pic next year  with such limited reps under his belt

 

Sure an entire season as the starter in the offense will give him a boost.. but he has done nothing to earn even being projected as the number one pick if I'm being honest 

 

It's all projection it's not what he's actually accomplished.. if his last name was Miller he would still be really talented 21-year-old kid but the hype wouldn't be as high

If a college QB has a sure chance of going number 1 overall, they are going to take it. Anything can happen such as a bad injury or a down season. I know rookie contracts aren’t like they used to be, but 40 million is very hard to turn down. Doesn’t matter what family he comes from. 

[Buffalo716]

5 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If a college QB has a sure chance of going number 1 overall, they are going to take it. Anything can happen such as a bad injury or a down season. I know rookie contracts aren’t like they used to be, but 40 million is very hard to turn down. Doesn’t matter what family he comes from. 

Peyton Manning came back when he would have been the number one overall pick.. Eli probably would have gotten drafted over Carson Palmer and he went back .. certainly top seven 

 

Josh Allen was considered in the running for the top overall pick and he came back hurting his stock 

 

If there's one family that's never going to rush a quarterback for the pros it's the Manning family.. arch is getting 20 starts

[Ralonzo]

3 hours ago, BobbyC81 said:

You mean like the 2013 season of EJ Manuel, Thad Lewis and Jeff Tuel?

 

The rare post where "Agree" and "Vomit" reactions are equivalent.

[RoscoeParrish]

14 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Saints winning 6+ games with a guy who is almost certainly not going to be their QB 2 years from now is just a bad move. 

[NoSaint]

34 minutes ago, RoscoeParrish said:

Saints winning 6+ games with a guy who is almost certainly not going to be their QB 2 years from now is just a bad move. 

yea absolutely no reason to burn cap space on a qb putting them in purgatory 

 

let the kids play

[T master]

16 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Cousins in his true. historic form probably wants a lot of money to sign just to ultimately hold a clip board until needed which could be why he's still on the market .

[ProcessTruster]

17 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

they are quietly tanking for next years QB draft.   IMHO.  If they pay a bundle for Cousins or whoever, hell they'll be out 40mil , win a few and screw it all up.   

 

Drafting the franchise guy is what its all about in the NFL. 

 

Will the coaching staff all get fired in the process for losing 13 games?  Yep.  But thats the cost of doing business.   

 

An example of a team that is screwing it up is Cleveland; they are trying to win games.   The Saints are playing it beautifully now that Carr is retiring.   Tank and grab Archie Manning's grandson... what a story that will be. 

Edited 20 hours ago by ProcessTruster

[SirAndrew]

12 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If a college QB has a sure chance of going number 1 overall, they are going to take it. Anything can happen such as a bad injury or a down season. I know rookie contracts aren’t like they used to be, but 40 million is very hard to turn down. Doesn’t matter what family he comes from. 

The college football landscape is insane these days as well. If you have a spectacular season, you never know what you’re walking into the next year. The transfer portal chaos can change the composition of a team overnight. It would be easy for a QB to damage his draft value by returning after a good season. 

[mannc]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

 

 

An example of a team that is screwing it up is Cleveland; they are trying to win games.   The Saints are playing it beautifully now that Carr is retiring.   Tank and grab Archie Manning's grandson... what a story that will be. 

How can you say Cleveland is screwing up?  They finished with the second worst record in the league, then fleeced the Jags out of next years first round pick.  They are well-positioned to grab a QB in next year’s draft. And it’s not at all clear to me that they are trying to win games in 2025.

[ProcessTruster]

57 minutes ago, mannc said:

How can you say Cleveland is screwing up?  They finished with the second worst record in the league, then fleeced the Jags out of next years first round pick.  They are well-positioned to grab a QB in next year’s draft. And it’s not at all clear to me that they are trying to win games in 2025.

ah yes, fair enough, forgot about that really smart draft trade deal.   so they could win a few this, help Stafanski keep his job (not a good idea IMO), and get a QB.  

 

I stand corrected.  

[Sierra Foothills]

19 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

 

The Saints are probably tanking.

 

The Steelers are possibly tanking.

 

And, trading for Winston after he could have been signed as a free agent? That would be an admission of incompetence.

 

[Billl]

15 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

If a college QB has a sure chance of going number 1 overall, they are going to take it. Anything can happen such as a bad injury or a down season. I know rookie contracts aren’t like they used to be, but 40 million is very hard to turn down. Doesn’t matter what family he comes from. 

 

19 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He'll be 22 years old come Draft time next season and will have been at Texas for 3 seasons. Given his pedigree, if he performs as expected this season - I don't think another year would improve his stock any and could only set himself up for hurting it with injury and he'd be cutting into his NFL years by a year or two by entering the 2027 Draft at 23.

 

He may opt to stay. But if he plays like a Manning, his stock will be as high as it could be.

The Mannings don’t care about Arch having a chance to go #1 overall.  They care about doing what gives him the best chance to have a successful NFL career.  He’s already making millions playing in college, so it’s not like he’s risking his financial future.

[brianthomas]

19 hours ago, aristocrat said:

Jameis can sling it. He’s a fun qb to watch but the ints are certainly a problem. If your team is gonna suck and you wanna give your fans a fun season just play him. He’ll give you 25 and 25

yeah i'd even go so far as saying I'd feel more comfortable having Winston as our backup QB than a Mitch Trubisky. I know Jameis can sling it & win you some games. The latter not so much.

[Big Turk]

Winston threw 30 INTs the last time he was a full time starter.

 

Maybe that flies in 1980, but when anything over 15 is considered a lot these days, being double that just ain't going to ever work.

 

Would be like a guy in 1980 throwing 50 INTs.

Edited 16 hours ago by Big Turk

[Beast]

Why trade for not good enough when you can possibly draft a stud next year?

[djp14150]

22 hours ago, Virgil said:

To start, I am not banging the table saying either are great quarterbacks, but they are clearly capable of starting in the NFL.  They may not be great, by any means, but they are way better than who the Saints and Steelers plan on putting on the field. 
 

Granted, the Giants just signed Winston, but then signed Russel (named the starter) and drafted Dart.   The Saints took a guy in the second round, but he is far from a sure bet of being NFL ready, let alone week 1 ready.  
 

Am I missing something here.  How are the Saints and Steelers not all over these trades?  I can’t imagine the asking price is big.  If in a fan of either team,  dreading this upcoming season as is.  If in a HC of either team, am I not also fighting for me job?  Granted Tomlin appears to be untouchable at times, but for how long?

 

Just thoughts. 

Saints though (1) Carr would be healthy, and (2) they are in cap hell, (3) they have a new coach

 

steelers — they are the Steelers. Seems they sign rodgers eventually.

 

 

falcons— they drsfted a QB in the first round last year. Cousins coming back from an Achilles injury was NOT going to be 100% last year.

 

Winston— he generates too many turnovers and can’t  seem to fix it.  He can put up decent numbers in passing. Giants probably trade Winston  to a team that needs a QB during the season

 

 

 

 

[Buffalo716]

22 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

He'll be 22 years old come Draft time next season and will have been at Texas for 3 seasons. Given his pedigree, if he performs as expected this season - I don't think another year would improve his stock any and could only set himself up for hurting it with injury and he'd be cutting into his NFL years by a year or two by entering the 2027 Draft at 23.

 

He may opt to stay. But if he plays like a Manning, his stock will be as high as it could be.

Historical evidence shows the success rate of quarterbacks with less than 15-20 college starts is not that good.. the Manning family knows this 

 

Peyton Manning could have been the number one pick the year before came back.. Eli probably would have gotten drafted over Carson Palmer, certainly in the top five.. came back... Josh Allen could have been top five and came back 

 

It's all about having a successful NFL career which means he needs more college starts.. their plan was always for him to be on campus at least 4 years or more 

 

They definitely are not in a rush to make him jump ship to the NFL.. hes going to get seasoned

Edited 14 hours ago by Buffalo716

[Sierra Foothills]

Maybe the data will make the point more clear...

 

Arch Manning has played in a grand total of 12 NCAA games.

 

He's started 2 of those games.

 

One week ago he turned 21 years old (so he's only one year older than Tremaine Edmunds).

 

[Freddie's Dead]

You wanna trade for Rapeis Winston?  By all means.  Captain Kirk is who we should have drafted instead TJumptomakeacatch Graham (or Russ Wilson, they were both on the board when we picked that POS).

On 5/10/2025 at 5:23 PM, aristocrat said:

Jameis can sling it. He’s a fun qb to watch but the ints are certainly a problem. If your team is gonna suck and you wanna give your fans a fun season just play him. He’ll give you 25 and 25

 

That and the Rapeis thing....