Elijah Moore Visiting the Bills today (Update: Signed!)

[PaattMaann]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

Misleading though because I’ll bet that they also had some of the lowest average depth of target in the league. If you throw a quick screen, that would be considered separation. Samuel and Shakir saw lots of those and Kincaid some. Are they winnning with route running 10-20 yards down the field? That’s what prime Diggs did. I’m not suggesting that they need prime Diggs but someone that wins with route running.

 

Isn't getting open, getting open? If all we did was throw short screens, wouldn't a defense get hip to that and move up closer? I was taking issue with you saying we couldn't get separation, period. 

 

I know what your argument is, and I agree that it would be nice to have another option as a "downfield separator", I'm just going to get too worked up about the strength of our team. We had a dominant offense, swapped Cooper for Palmer, who knows how that will work out right now, but based on our offensive track record I am optimistic. Now we added Moore to the mix, I think he could pop a little as a WR 4/5. Samuel and Kincaid hopefully actually healthy. 

[zevo]

9 hours ago, Turk71 said:

Palmer hasn't done anything, is not particularly athletic, agile, explosive, he's kinda slow and can't jump. Why do people think he's good?

just need him to separate and get open when in that crucial moment. 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

9 minutes ago, muppy said:

I  think  the key to our offenses success in 2025 will be how the bills braintrust will utilize and game plan with the guys they DO have.

 

They are NOT concerned with who they would a could a shoulda had or taken. All of that is great chatroom fodder but in the end IMO what really matters is what will happen moving forward  with whatever roster deemed the best after camp

 

welcome to Buffalo Mr Moore.  prove the doubters wrong and shut them up. That would be ideal 🙂

 

I like the pickup, 4.35 speed deep threat, decent hands, only 25 so he's in his prime and he's never had a QB like Josh Allen before so let's hope we can utilize him. I'm just not sure if he's slot only or an outside guy, if he's slot only he might not get all that many chances.

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, PaattMaann said:

 

Isn't getting open, getting open? If all we did was throw short screens, wouldn't a defense get hip to that and move up closer? I was taking issue with you saying we couldn't get separation, period. 

 

I know what your argument is, and I agree that it would be nice to have another option as a "downfield separator", I'm just going to get too worked up about the strength of our team. We had a dominant offense, swapped Cooper for Palmer, who knows how that will work out right now, but based on our offensive track record I am optimistic. Now we added Moore to the mix, I think he could pop a little as a WR 4/5. Samuel and Kincaid hopefully actually healthy. 

Yes it is. Is it easier to take one step back and catch a ball or to run 15 yards down the field and shake a corner? You know that. No reason to dig in. They had high separation scores and ran a ton of routes conducive to a high separation rate. Both things are true. That’s a credit to Brady more so than anyone. He designed an offense that scored lots of points despite some clear blind spots / holes.

 

They have added Palmer and Moore to gain separation. They have won with route running and further down the field. That will open up more of the playbook. That’s a positive. 

[TPS]

7 hours ago, Nihilarian said:

Yes, the Eagles were the exception as they built a unique team...that is now partially dismantled in free agency. Beane stated correctly when he said that by paying Josh Allen, it compromises the team in spending on those big-name, elite FA WRs. BTW, which elite WRs did you want the Bills to draft after drafting the much-needed players on defense?

 

The Bills might already have some elite receiver players in the form of their star TEs and new WRs. In the case of Dalton Kincade, who was mis-targeted by around 37% on passing plays over 12 yards. Kincade and Allen just weren't on the same page last year for some reason. Curtis Samuel was injured last season with a turf toe, which can linger on and on if not given proper rest.  Samuel, who has run a 4.31 40 time and has had some 60 catch seasons.

 

So many Bills fans blame Kincade for the dropped pass last season and Bass for the missed field goal in the previous season. Yet, it has been the defense that has let this franchise down the last few years due to injuries and a lack of depth. Both Beane and McD saw the flaws in the team and attempted to fix them in the draft. This draft was weak in elite WRs while loaded with top defensive players, and Buffalo added some. 

 

Despite not having elite WRs on the team last season, the Buffalo Bills were 2nd in the NFL in scoring and the #1 scoring team, including the playoffs. The Bills are returning with most of their offense intact and lost their 4th & 5th WRs and have already replaced them with better players. 

 

Buffalo had Stephon Diggs, who was their elite wide receiver and led the entire NFL in one season...did they get to the SB with him?

I think it's more accurate to say it forces Beane to decide which other position(s) he should spend big on?  Beane's choice has typically been to spend on an Edge rusher. In addition, he has spent a lot of cap money on the D-line in general--it's a long list of folks he's signed to one-year contracts to bolster the DL over the past several years, with mostly average performance. 

 

This year he finally decided to make a major investment in bodies through the draft, in a draft that was loaded with talent across the line.  A wise move.  I think he also tried to address a weakness that was made glaring in the AFCCG, depth at CB.  Benford's injury was a major reason they lost that game.  

 

At any rate, wrt to the WR discussion, I think with this addition, the group is stronger than last year's.

[ddaryl]

6 minutes ago, zevo said:

just need him to separate and get open when in that crucial moment. 

 

 

you need to add in "and catch the ball."  Between Diggs classic drop a few years ago and Kincaid's incompletion in a do or die situation in the playoffs has been an issue fo rus

[All_Pro_Bills]

Moore looks like a good signing and adds another element to the Bills offense. I wouldn't go so far to say adding him makes the WR group a strength but it also means the group is no longer a major weakness either. My expectation is one or two of these guys, Samuel, Moore, Coleman, Palmer, outperforms this season. Add in Allen's MVP level play, a healthy Kincaid, and some additional flexibility in play calling and formations for Brady to work with and the situation things look very good. With Cook's status the only big negative left.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by All_Pro_Bills

[SoCal Deek]

2 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Moore looks like a good signing and adds another element to the Bills offense. I wouldn't go so far to say adding him makes the WR group a strength but it also means the group is no longer a major weakness either. My expectation is one or two of these guys, Samuel, Moore, Coleman, Palmer, outperforms this season. Add in Allen's MVO level play, a healthy Kincaid, and some additional flexibility in play calling and formations for Brady to work with and the situation things look very good. With Cook's status the only big negative left.

 

 

I agree. None of the WR/TE group are standouts on their own but they’re ALL of decent ability. I’m guessing everyone will eat again in 2025….which can be very difficult on the opposing defense. 

[Doc]

59 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I think Codrington would beat him out comfortably.

 

I'd say only because he also returns punts.  But if Shenault can do it, or another player can, I think that what he offers at his position gives him the edge over Codrington and he had a higher KR average with a return TD.

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, eball said:

 

I don’t think there is agreement on that at all.  Beane has been pretty widely praised for taking WGR to task, and it was refreshing to hear it because those WGR guys are blowhards.  They think they have a bully pulpit and nobody will ever call them on it.  Beane has never said he didn’t want a speed WR; he just has to build an entire football team and has done a damn good job of it.  How many entire rosters in this league do you want to trade the Bills’ for?

 

It’s exhausting.  Some people want to continue to talk about the “WR room” and compare it to the rest of the league.  Well, what about every other position group on offense?

 

QB — top 1-2

OL — top 5

RB — top 10 (maybe higher)

TE — top half

 

That’s a lot of really good stuff, and YOU CAN’T HAVE EVERYTHING in the salary cap era.  This team scored nearly 30 points per game and put up 29 in the playoffs against the Chiefs.  Don’t tell me “the offense had the ball and didn’t get it done” because while technically true, that’s not why Buffalo lost that game (or the game the year before).

 

Beane was right to tell them to “quit your b-i-t-c-h-i-n-g” given these facts, and the signing of Elijah Moore isn’t an “admission” of anything by Beane.

 

 

I unequivocally agree with you. They’re both punks and Dibeeosi has a face worthy of punching.

[Rockinon]

14 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said:

“We felt that defense was a bigger and more immediate need heading into the draft and with the way the board fell, we also felt the value wasn’t there at receiver when we were picking.  But we’re always looking to make our team better and we’ll be open to adding more talent at the receiver position before training camp.”

 

- what Beane should’ve said.

That would be the politically correct thing to do. Me personally, I like that he spoke his opinion without fear. It was an honest take on his part and I prefer that to holding back what's really on his mind.

[GunnerBill]

3 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

I'd say only because he also returns punts.  But if Shenault can do it, or another player can, I think that what he offers at his position gives him the edge over Codrington and he had a higher KR average with a return TD.

 

What Shenault can do at his position? Yea that's diddly squat.....

[Mister Defense]

2 hours ago, ProcessTruster said:

Elijah Moore's QB was Zach Wilson.  nuf said.  No one knows what he is capable of as yet.   We shall see.  

 

And I have not read the entire thread, as it's growing to fast to keep up with it, but so far have not read one of the most important facts about last year, and his 8 YPC stat.  His offensive coordinator last year, his third in the league, when many players start to come into their own.. was KEN DORSEY.

 

Someone who, as I have said before the Cleveland hire, should never be an offensive coordinator in the NFL again, and that the only thing he should be permitted to do on on an NFL sideline is give Gatorade to the players.  And even that is only with extensive supervision, extra training, and if he signs something saying he will never directly speak to any player ever. Or make eye contact with them.

 

 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

How is the phrase "he doesn't value wide receivers" out of context? That sounds like a direct indictment. They questioned his acumen.

 

Yep

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said:

I wanted the Bills to draft Eli Moore 4 years ago. Im okay with this.

lol the stupid has ramped up around here i guess. Moore is instantly the 2nd best receiver on the team behind Shakir. Yes, better than Palmer and yes, Moore can play on the outside.

You are insane. The guy isn’t even good. He’s fighting for the 5th spot. Do people even watch other teams? 

[nosejob]

I hope this off season Allen commits to improving long ball accuracy. Don't matter who you have with what speed if the ball is overthrown or off target.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

Another one at the table, let's eat! 

 

[JP51]

I like that they are trying to find someone to resurrect cheaply based on our cap situation... that said, I dont have hopes that this guy turns into the next James Lofton pickup back in the 90s.  I think he will be closer to MVS ... but one can always hope.. and at least this gives us something to hope for...  but all too often those resurrection candidates you get cheaply amount to very little... (Coop, MVS, Claypool etc... and no I am not comparing this guy to Coop etc... just in general) ... we shall see and we shall hope... 

[Augie]

9 hours ago, Mike in Horseheads said:

Moore Moores?

 

I think the correct answer is the Moops. 

[Slippery Rubber Mats]

3 minutes ago, JP51 said:

I like that they are trying to find someone to resurrect cheaply based on our cap situation... that said, I dont have hopes that this guy turns into the next James Lofton pickup back in the 90s.  I think he will be closer to MVS ... but one can always hope.. and at least this gives us something to hope for...  but all too often those resurrection candidates you get cheaply amount to very little... (Coop, MVS, Claypool etc... and no I am not comparing this guy to Coop etc... just in general) ... we shall see and we shall hope... 

 

Huh, you sure you don't want to hedge that bet a little bit?

 

Quite the limb to go out on to say that you think a WR who has proven nothing so far will be closer to your average replaceable WR than a Hall of Famer LOL