Kaiir Elam traded to Cowboys

[davefan66]

Dude can say whatever he wants. He was given many opportunities to be a player and couldn’t do it.

 

He was picked the same year as a 6th round pick who is a starter and just signed a nice extension. So coaching ain’t the problem.

[GunnerBill]

7 hours ago, DCofNC said:

I expect him to be a contributor in Dallas, he flashed quite a bit when he got a chance here.  He also had a lot of mental lapses, so if the coaching there can reach him, he was a 1st round pick for a reason.

 

I think at this point he is so mentally scrambled I'd be surprised if he panned out in Dallas. 

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

Dude can say whatever he wants. He was given many opportunities to be a player and couldn’t do it.

 

He was picked the same year as a 6th round pick who is a starter and just signed a nice extension. So coaching ain’t the problem.

 

I don't think coaching was the issue per se. But I always felt it was an odd pick for the scheme. And both personnel and coaching deserve criticism for that because there is no way Beane picked him without McDermott and Frazier (at the time) being confident they could use him.

 

Had he gone to a better scheme fit out of the gate could his career have been different? Maybe. At this point tho I think he will just meakly flame out of the league.

[davefan66]

4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I think at this point he is so mentally scrambled I'd be surprised if he panned out in Dallas. 

 

I don't think coaching was the issue per se. But I always felt it was an odd pick for the scheme. And both personnel and coaching deserve criticism for that because there is no way Beane picked him without McDermott and Frazier (at the time) being confident they could use him.

 

Had he gone to a better scheme fit out of the gate could his career have been different? Maybe. At this point tho I think he will just meakly flame out of the league.

I really feel the coaching staff gave him every opportunity. He could have been traded or straight up cut a few seasons ago and people would have understood. Once you are publicly in the “doghouse”, you either work to get better, or shrink and never improve. In feel he did the latter. 
 

Could he have been better in a scheme built for his talents? Sure. That’s an interesting part of the NFL. How many players that never made it would have flourished in a different situation, ie: depth, coaching?
 

For whatever reason he was “broken” here. I don’t believe it was largely due to coaching. Personal responsibility.

[Bill from NYC]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

And both personnel and coaching deserve criticism for that because there is no way Beane picked him without McDermott and Frazier (at the time) being confident they could use him.

 

 

Interesting theory. I heard it somewhere else but I can't remember where.

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, Bill from NYC said:

Interesting theory. I heard it somewhere else but I can't remember where.

 

No your theory is McDermott is instructing Beane to pick him. Beane makes the picks. But the coaches are a part of their evaluation process, especially on round 1 guys in terms of how they fit and would/could be used. Beane has explained this many times. 

[eball]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

No your theory is McDermott is instructing Beane to pick him. Beane makes the picks. But the coaches are a part of their evaluation process, especially on round 1 guys in terms of how they fit and would/could be used. Beane has explained this many times. 

 

If there is no teamwork and cohesion between the HC and GM (with support from ownership) then you have the Jags, Jets, and Browns.

 

GMs will whiff.  A lot.  Many fans get too caught up in the misses (particularly 1st rounders) to appreciate the overall performance of the GM, but there’s no question Beane whiffed on this one.  Obviously they thought they could use Elam’s talents in their defense, but as we all know, those evaluations are far from perfect and difficult to predict.

 

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

18 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

Plot twist. I’m Sal. 

Please regale us with tales of your HOF Little Loop coaching career