Warriorspikes51 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Interesting he led the NFL in YPC one season at GB with 20.9 His speed and size along with that meet the criteria for explosiveness Beane and Sean kept talking about Yes he's inconsistent, but a playoff player. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 14 minutes ago, Chaos said: Allen through for 4,306 yards in 2023. You are confident he will exceed last years total, but put 4500 yards at low odds. Your predicition is pretty precise, somewhere between 4307 and 4499 yards. Yes we will see what happens. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 8 hours ago, Chaos said: maybe. But offense is not the reason we lose playoff games ehhhhh, offense was on the field the last drive v. KC this year. They didn't get it done. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 3 hours ago, harmonkillebrew said: Diggs not being Diggs at the end of last year is as much Brady as anyone else. He also consistently drew the best CBs or double teams, leaving options open for Shakir and others. Despite that all he still had over 100 catches and 1100 yds, only 3rd most catches in a season by a Bills WR ever. We will miss him. We needed an upgrade from Davis, but it ain't MVS Never said Diggs wasn’t a talent, but his game did fall off a bit last part of last season, had lots of drops by his own standards, as I said previously, 4 TDs in his post season career thus far, even with Allen forcing passes to him all season long. Imo Davis will not be missed, he has a chronic ankle injury, that negatively effected his availability and performance annually, I am not worried about our receiver corp this year, you can bet the ball is going to be spread around considerably more without Diggs, which will have the effect of the defenses we face not being nearly as certain where the pass is going to go. Also consider that with Diggs in his prime the team didn’t get it done, ya can’t endlessly rinse and repeat, ya gotta make changes at some point, and that is exactly what is happening in front of us, change upsets folk, we like the myth of consistency…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 He averages 17 ypc over his career. Hopefully he and Claypool get it figured out. If they can, that is a heck of a WR corp. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I don't see them keeping 7. It comes out of either offensive or defensive line depth - where the depth actually plays considerable snaps, you also will likely have 2 inactive WRs on game day. Locks: Coleman Samuel Shakir ST - Depth Competition (Hollins has inside track with experience, but the cost is probably the same to keep anyone): Hollins/Shavers/Cephus Depth at primary boundary Competition (Probably keep 1, Shorter might end up on PS too): Shorter/MVS/Claypool Slot depth/Specialist Competition (Probably can stash either on PS and elevate if a samuel or shakir is injured): Hamler/Isabella I see it that way as well. But I will say that they guaranteed $1.1M of Mack Hollins contract so I think Shavers and Cephus are starting out well behind him in that competition. 5 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said: I don't see them keeping 7. It comes out of either offensive or defensive line depth - where the depth actually plays considerable snaps, you also will likely have 2 inactive WRs on game day. Locks: Coleman Samuel Shakir ST - Depth Competition (Hollins has inside track with experience, but the cost is probably the same to keep anyone): Hollins/Shavers/Cephus Depth at primary boundary Competition (Probably keep 1, Shorter might end up on PS too): Shorter/MVS/Claypool Slot depth/Specialist Competition (Probably can stash either on PS and elevate if a samuel or shakir is injured): Hamler/Isabella I see it that way as well. But I will say that they guaranteed $1.1M of Mack Hollins contract so I think Shavers and Cephus are starting out well behind him in that competition. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: ehhhhh, offense was on the field the last drive v. KC this year. They didn't get it done. But that doesn’t point the finger quite as clearly at McD, and some people want that made very clear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 19 minutes ago, That's No Moon said: ehhhhh, offense was on the field the last drive v. KC this year. They didn't get it done. Defense was on the field for the last drive And special teams is what didn't get it done Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 14 minutes ago, Augie said: But that doesn’t point the finger quite as clearly at McD, and some people want that made very clear. Bills blew another fourth quarter lead. Look up how many times the Chiefs have blown fourth quarter leads under Mahomes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Frankly, I never liked the guy. I don't study NFL games and players, but I have a game on almost whenever one is available. But even to my casual observation, he always seemed unreliable. He rarely seemed to make the big play. As I've read and thought him since last night, I think he's a good addition. He and Samuel will make a nice veteran presence to lead Shakir, Kincaid, and Coleman. And as others have pointed out, MVS has interesting playoff experience, which also can be helpful. He's an upgrade over Sherfield, and I'm not sure the Bills will expect much more out of him than that. Hope for more, but not expect more. 500 yards would be great. And if he doesn't make the team at all, that would be a good sign. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: I see it that way as well. But I will say that they guaranteed $1.1M of Mack Hollins contract so I think Shavers and Cephus are starting out well behind him in that competition. These back of roster guys have such a low salary that the replacement player is actually cheaper, so I don't see the guaranteed money as much of anything. May the best man/men winnnn. Hollins Cap hit - 2.48M Shavers Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + .8 = 1.9M Cephus Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M Shorter Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + .875 = 1.98M Hamler Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M Claypool Cap hit - 1.1M Hollins + 1.055 = 2.155M 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 If Brady designs things well and Josh makes good reads, we should have different WRs with the most yardage game to game as we will take advantage of what a specific defense gives each week. Lot of ifs to be sure but that is the ideal. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 (edited) What a bizarre WR room Edited May 14 by Brianmoorman4jesus 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 53 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Interesting he led the NFL in YPC one season at GB with 20.9 His speed and size along with that meet the criteria for explosiveness Beane and Sean kept talking about Yes he's inconsistent, but a playoff player. If we get the 2020 version of MVS & Claypool, this will be a dynamic receiving room. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 Solid pickup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 6 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: What a bizarre WR room Yeah. If in February, someone had shown me that receivingg lineup, I would have said, "Wha ..?" I mean, really, the total absence of proven, high-end talent is bewildering. It's not like they signed a guy who had been great once but had fallen off. The BEST season any Bills receiver ever had was Samuel's 851 yards for Carolina in 2020. If Samuel, MVS, Shakir, and Hollins ALL replicate their BEST seasons, the four of them still won't have 3000 yards. As I keep saying, it's all about Brady and Allen. Scheme, play calling, and execution. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turbo044 Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 10 minutes ago, Shaw66 said: Yeah. If in February, someone had shown me that receivingg lineup, I would have said, "Wha ..?" I mean, really, the total absence of proven, high-end talent is bewildering. It's not like they signed a guy who had been great once but had fallen off. The BEST season any Bills receiver ever had was Samuel's 851 yards for Carolina in 2020. If Samuel, MVS, Shakir, and Hollins ALL replicate their BEST seasons, the four of them still won't have 3000 yards. As I keep saying, it's all about Brady and Allen. Scheme, play calling, and execution. Claypool had more than 851 yards in both 2020 and 2021 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 31 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: What a bizarre WR room As @dave mcbride said.........it's a dog's breakfast. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 MVS would have an insider's knowledge of the Chief's scheming, coaching, etc. My questions: How much insider's knowledge is a player expected to give up to his new team? Is this context dependent, for example, on the player or how he left his old team? Does it really matter since the old team must assume that such knowledge has been given up and act accordingly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted May 14 Share Posted May 14 7 minutes ago, Old Coot said: MVS would have an insider's knowledge of the Chief's scheming, coaching, etc. My questions: How much insider's knowledge is a player expected to give up to his new team? Is this context dependent, for example, on the player or how he left his old team? Does it really matter since the old team must assume that such knowledge has been given up and act accordingly? Let's ask Lawyer Milloy about that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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