SoonerBillsFan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 2 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: He’s an average GM who closed his eyes in the 2018 draft and picked one Josh over the other. He’s missed on a bunch of picks but that’s the nature of the business. Should we give him a chance to do a mini rebuild which he claims the Bills are not in and see what the team looks like this summer I will but the man is on borrowed time and he knows it. Prove it. He got an extension last year and Terry has given him and McDermott both a vote of confidence. The only people he is on borrowed time with is a few fans. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevestojan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) He traded away a guy who is at the tail end of his career, who was 100% a distraction, and had WR4 level numbers in the playoffs. The cap hit hurts but there is 1 guy I wouldn’t want to be this upcoming season. And that’s CJ Stroud. He’s 22 and crybaby Diggs will be all over him by week 4. Edited April 5 by stevestojan 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 33 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully I have levied criticism of McDermott and Beane. On thing I always note when doing so is that it’s unclear who is ultimately making the final decisions. I think that Beane reports to McDermott, but I’m not sure. The Bills invite this kind of speculation because they will not tell the public who has the final roster authority or what the reporting structure. I’ve always found this unnecessary and odd. I can’t say I’ve seen that level of secrecy over that information before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewookie1 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 35 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully 1. Von was meant to be the one who put us over the top and showed he might be able to before his injury. It was an all-in move that backfired due to an unforeseen injury; not his age or skill. Neutral 2. It was overpay, but he was able to get him to take a pay cut this year. Bad 3. Diggs extension, was a risky venture but was needed for cap space. One can't look at a contract in a vacuum; if we didn't extend him we likely can't sign guys like Leonard Floyd who were contributors to the roster. Neutral 4. His high draft picks haven't all panned out but he has hit on multiple lower round guys. Bad to Neutral I'll finish this after I drive home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) 7 hours ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Von miller contract - You can't anticipate an ACL Tear. Before the injury, you saw why he deserved that contract. Dawson Knox contract - Bad move, no way around that. Stefon diggs contract - It ended up being a bad move. But at the time, like Miller, he deserved the contract he got. It was before things really went south and he probably felt that in paying him, he'd stay happy. Defense line draft picks that never pan out - First off, Ed Oliver did pan out. Greg Rousseau, a starter since he was Drafted, as the 30th pick in the Draft is not a bust. You act as if a player isn't a Pro Bowler it was a waste of a pick. You don't usually Draft All Pro's at 30. AJ Epenesa was a late bloomer, but has come on as a decent player who's now on his 2nd contract. Much like Rousseau, for being selected at Pick 54, he's at least gotten fair value for where he was picked. Especially now. Basham was a bust - but every GM in the league has picks that don't pan out. Because he felt he needed an absolute stud, he signed Miller. Defense tackle signings that are not good enough - Daquan Jones is solid and that's why he's been brought back on a second contract. Would you rather he spent big money on a big time DT like we did with Miller? Especially at rotational since Oliver and Jones are the starters? No reliable pass rusher - This is a repeat complaint, where the explanation falls under your Miller and DL Picks posts. Wyatt Teller give away - This was a mistake and he'd be the first to admit it. Nine times out of 10, if you trade a 5th Round developmental pick that looked average in a handful of games starting - they aren't going to become a Pro Bowl player. I don't remember anyone freaking out when the trade happened. Like a number of these decisions, hindsight is 20/20. Edmunds - What about him? He took a Linebacker mid Round 1 who started for 5 straight years for us, went to multiple Pro Bowls, and then signed the biggest MLB contract in history elsewhere. I know he was a whipping boy around here, but his contract speaks to how he was viewed around the league. I don't think there was a GM around the league who considered him a bust at Pick 16. All in all have all of his moves been perfect? No. But any GM in the league who's made the amount of picks and moves that he's made over an 8 year span is going to have some moves they'd like to take back and some picks that don't pan out. But he's manuevered every cap scenario we've had and has fielded a continual Playoff team and Divisional Champion. For every pick that didn't pan out, he's found guys who have - and often late in the Draft as Diamonds in the Rough. Think back to the teams we fielded before he got here. Some of the decisions that were made. Before he came here, we couldn't even get mid level FA's to agree to come here. Brandon Beane hasn't been perfect. But he's still the best GM we've had in a long, LONG time and is amongst the most respected people at his position in the league. Edited April 6 by BillsFanForever19 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 He got us to within 13 seconds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) I’ve been thinking that he has got a little lucky this off-season with Miller and Knox agreeing to pretty unlikely pay cuts IMO.. I wonder if he still trades Diggs if those pay cuts don’t happen? Edited April 5 by Aussie Joe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
khlax3 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Some of us did not like the 2022 offseason at the time and it has proven to be pretty much an unmitigated disaster: Free Agent signings: Jordan Phillips - $5m Tim Settle - $9m Daquan Jones - $14m Von Miller - $120m Roger Saffold - $6.25m Ryan Bates - $17m OJ Howard - $3.5m Jameson Crowder - $2m Extension: Stefon Diggs - $96m First round pick: Kaiir Elam I know he had some decent success with some of his later picks - Cook, Bernard, Benford - but it is by any standards a bit of a disaster of an offseason. 22 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: As far as the draft goes Elam was a major miss but overall I would consider that draft a success getting Cook, Bernard, and Benford, and Shakir. As for the diggs extension he was producing at a high level and they paid him a market rate. If they would have an he would have walked or moved on then people would be upset they didn’t keep him. Yea it didn’t work out but overall at the time it seemed like a reasonable deal. Von produced when he came in and looked exactly like the player we wanted. He got hurt that’s not in Beane’s control. Jones was a very good signing and crowder was worth a swing at that price. Bates was also a fine signing you paid him about 4 million a year to compete as a starter and be a top back up plus got a 5th round pick for him. If you didn’t sign him you were getting nothing for him. Beane has some hits and misses every year like any GM as others have mentioned. Anyone who thinks ever other gm hits on all their draft picks and free agents doesn’t follow other teams at all. If anything I get Beane’s draft production is better than most in the NFL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I have levied criticism of McDermott and Beane. On thing I always note when doing so is that it’s unclear who is ultimately making the final decisions. I think that Beane reports to McDermott, but I’m not sure. The Bills invite this kind of speculation because they will not tell the public who has the final roster authority or what the reporting structure. I’ve always found this unnecessary and odd. I can’t say I’ve seen that level of secrecy over that information before. Why should they have to tell the public that. They run it the way they run it. Beane should get credit for the good things he does and criticism for the bad things like anyone else. Given they are a perennial playoff team there have been more good moves than bad. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 3 minutes ago, khlax3 said: As far as the draft goes Elam was a major miss but overall I would consider that draft a success getting Cook, Bernard, and Benford, and Shakir. As for the diggs extension he was producing at a high level and they paid him a market rate. If they would have an he would have walked or moved on then people would be upset they didn’t keep him. Yea it didn’t work out but overall at the time it seemed like a reasonable deal. Von produced when he came in and looked exactly like the player we wanted. He got hurt that’s not in Beane’s control. Jones was a very good signing and crowder was worth a swing at that price. Bates was also a fine signing you paid him about 4 million a year to compete as a starter and be a top back up plus got a 5th round pick for him. If you didn’t sign him you were getting nothing for him. Beane has some hits and misses every year like any GM as others have mentioned. Anyone who thinks ever other gm hits on all their draft picks and free agents doesn’t follow other teams at all. If anything I get Beane’s draft production is better than most in the NFL. It isn't a dig at Beane overall. But they blew that 2022 offseason. There is no question. Yes he found some good contributors in the draft but equally - running back, linebacker and slot receiver are what some might call low hanging fruit. It was a bad offseason. No way around it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 (edited) There have been misses, but you have to contrast that with his hits. Beane seems to me a fluid guy that learns from his mistakes and adjusts accordingly. For me that's one of the most important traits for a GM. Trading Diggs has restored my faith in him. It was a tough move, but it needed to happen. Starting with Cook and Kincaid, he is retooling the offense right in front of our eyes and I like the direction it's heading. Edited April 5 by Chicken Boo 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4th&long Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 Oh the drama! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 15 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I have levied criticism of McDermott and Beane. On thing I always note when doing so is that it’s unclear who is ultimately making the final decisions. I think that Beane reports to McDermott, but I’m not sure. The Bills invite this kind of speculation because they will not tell the public who has the final roster authority or what the reporting structure. I’ve always found this unnecessary and odd. I can’t say I’ve seen that level of secrecy over that information before. They have said Beane has authority over personnel and both he and McDermott report to Pegula. That is public and on the record. No mystery about it. Fans speculate about who has more power in the relationship and I agree it is McDermott but also when you speak to people who have been in that building including one at a high level what they say is the same as the public line - Beane runs personnel and he makes those decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 minute ago, khlax3 said: As for the diggs extension he was producing at a high level and they paid him a market rate. If they would have an he would have walked or moved on then people would be upset they didn’t keep him. Yea it didn’t work out but overall at the time it seemed like a reasonable deal. They made the call to extend him early … I think he had 2 years left … no doubt it was done with the best intentions to keep him happy … He was playing well at the time … but it looks a poor decision now … if they waited another 12 months to the off season after Bengals playoff game carry on … then the fans would likely be happy to see him gone with a first round pick and a lot less cap pain… It’s a sliding doors moment that hopefully we aren’t looking back on in 10 years … just another thing that doesn’t seem to go their way … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 54 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Has it been good enough? Ask a fan of another team in our division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 he doesnt leave any stone unturned and takes calculated shots/gambles. hes the best GM in bills history and i hope we never lose him. he has what it takes. hes one of the few surgeons of a GM in the league. 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 56 minutes ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Von Miller: if you don't understand why he did it. There's no help for you Dawson Knox. Yes, bad contract. Stefan Diggs: Again, if you don't see why he did it at the time, there's no help for you You are correct. The Dline picks have been pretty disappointing. No reliable pass rusher. Pretty much the same as the dline argument. DT signings: Ed Oliver, Daquon Jones. Those are just fine. Wyatt Teller: to his defense wasn't THAT great when he was with us but yes, Beane probably gave up too early. Edmunds was highly regarded out of college. Can't really fault him for that pick. He was a major need at the time All in all. Chill the f out 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 35 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said: Prove it. He got an extension last year and Terry has given him and McDermott both a vote of confidence. The only people he is on borrowed time with is a few fans. He got an extension cause of 17 nothing more nothing less Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billybrew1 Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 1 hour ago, Sharky7337 said: Von miller contract Dawson Knox contract Stephen diggs contract Defense line draft picks that never pan out Defense tackle signings that are not good enough No reliable pass rusher Wyatt Teller give away Edmunds Just curious why he is so highly regarded when these issues have come to roost fully Boy, you and me, pal…. I don’t get the blind love for Beane either…. You could also add mediocre drafts since Allen pick…. (the jury is still out on how he did last year) and you definitely could add the Diggs trade as well…. I still say the worst one was the VM contract. Miller was no where the player he once was in Denver and we gave him a contract like he was. And he was old…. oh, and the Star Loutotia (SP?) contract. Everyone forgets about that one but it was the first of the dramatic overpays…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuffMuff Posted April 5 Share Posted April 5 How about 13 seconds and Tre's and Vonn injuries? Seems to me if not for these few things, we could possibly have two rings. Dont see how Bean had any part in those. Bean has done his job pretty dang well the last few years building the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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