Brady driven to greatness by trying to win Belichick's approval?

[Big Turk]

This seems pretty wild...apparently things were worse in NE than many realized even tho you heard some bits and pieces while the dynasty was still going, seems like many former players are speaking out about things and it paints a strange picture...

 

Belichick was an overlord, task-master who treated Brady like an abused dog and Brady was constantly trying to seek and win his approval almost like a son-father relationship growing up...

 

Like the stories about all the kids who are driven to try and prove their greatness to their fathers who never have anyrhing good to say so they work maniacally to continue doing more and more thinking each time that this is going to win his approval, but yet it never does creating a vicious mental cycle where he is trapped because he has put so much effort into it and is so invested that he simply cannot stop, and while he hates him for it, he also loves him too...

 

Just paints a picture of Brady as someone who was emotionally abused like a son who was never good enough no matter what he did...

 

At the end Brady couldn't take any more of it and left, saying he wouldn't sign another contract there even if he wanted to play til he was 50.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tom-brady-details-declining-relationship-174203443.html

 

Edited February 16 by Big Turk

[Andy1]

Maybe this is another reason why Belichick is still unemployed. At the end, free agents didn’t want to go to play for him. 

[Matt_In_NH]

Living in NE there was talk about the rift for years.   It is also not a secret many players don't like BB's style, it lasted because it worked.   The fact he left alone demonstrates that....they were still winning, the fans love him in NE and yet he left on his own doing after 9 SB's and everything else.

[boyst]

the weird rewriting of history on the patriots dynasty is confusing and wrong. 

[Warcodered]

2 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Living in NE there was talk about the rift for years.   It is also not a secret many players don't like BB's style, it lasted because it worked.   The fact he left alone demonstrates that....they were still winning, the fans love him in NE and yet he left on his own doing after 9 SB's and everything else.

I mean I always had the idea that other players put up with how Belichick was because they won and Brady put up with it, when both those things changed felt like the writing would be on the wall.

[TheFunPolice]

in the end, it worked

 

Peyton Manning had mediocre to poor coaches most of his career. Nice guys, though. 

 

The whole Belichick as Darth Vader in a hoodie, devoid of compassion or joy, existing solely to destroy souls and win Super Bowls, is pretty much spot on. 

 

Brady himself talks about how in his 20's he was more like a typical NFL player... in great shape, yes, but actually enjoyed life a bit. Burgers and beers after games. Like a human being. 

 

If he had one of the "aww shucks" good ole ball coaches maybe he never even wins 1 ring. 

 

 

Edited February 16 by TheFunPolice

[Gregg]

If you listen to some of the old Giants players from the 80's Parcells was the same way. He would scream and yell at them when he felt it was necessary.

[TheFunPolice]

and you made millions of dollars, won multiple Super Bowls, and are viewed as some of the best players and best teams to ever suit up

 

Sorry it wasn't more "fun"

 

 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Andy1 said:

Maybe this is another reason why Belichick is still unemployed. At the end, free agents didn’t want to go to play for him. 

 

 

Doesn't help perhaps,  but it's at least 90% because he's just really old.  

 

Youth will be served and the jobs that came open don't match up with his likely 3 year shelf life as a HC.

 

Now if a job with a fully formed roster and old QB at the end of his career comes up then he probably gets that next cycle.

 

 

  

[TheFunPolice]

what team would want to hire a 73 year old Belichick?

 

Supposedly Dallas reached out to him behind the scenes to gauge interest before sticking with Big Mike this year. So BB doesn't want to go there. 

 

That's the only team I can imagine hiring a 73 year old guy who has only been good with Brady as his QB. 

 

Maybe SF? or Philly? A team that would be good but not good enough and would just want that SB title (in theory) not caring that it's a short term proposition. 

[Low Positive]

14 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Doesn't help perhaps,  but it's at least 90% because he's just really old.  

 

Youth will be served and the jobs that came open don't match up with his likely 3 year shelf life as a HC.

 

Now if a job with a fully formed roster and old QB at the end of his career comes up then he probably gets that next cycle.

 

 

  

Too bad he screwed the Jets over all those years ago because you just described them to a T.

[boyst]

15 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said:

and you made millions of dollars, won multiple Super Bowls, and are viewed as some of the best players and best teams to ever suit up

 

Sorry it wasn't more "fun"

 

 

the activities that fly for jobs like most of us have do not work.

if they treated these nfl players like most people in the office they'd be underwhelming like most people in average office spaces.

if anything, the nfl guys are more like stock brokers or real estate.

 

the jobs are not fun, high pressure, highly competitive, and fueled by more than just money.

[Don Otreply]

Really? this is a gossip piece, we all know/knew that Bill was/is an azs hole, and that Brady went along with his questionable ethics knowingly.

 

[Yobogoya!]

It's an interesting case study, that relationship.

 

They used to say how Belichick would start every team meeting for the new week by highlighting every play Tom Brady f'ed up the last game, no matter win or lose or how well he played. That obviously fed into Brady's motivation but it also fed into his resentment.

 

But obviously those results aren't typical. Unlocking the intangible x factor that made it work for them would probably be an impossible task.

[Punching Bag]

Beli-CHEAT wanted to get rid  (trade) of Br*dy to keep Garoppolo but Krafty would not approve it.  

That "Brady driven to greatness by trying to win Belichick's approval" seems connected to that - Beli-CHEAT did not feel he could go any farther with him.

 

T*m Br*dy Reportedly forced Jimmy Garoppolo trade to 49ers after offering Br*dy to them.

[Another Fan]

I never even played sports in high school but even before then most coaches I had were on the intense side.

 

I don’t see how this is much of a story.  Anyway if they are doing an Apple documentary on this the juicy stuff is put out there as bait.  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, Low Positive said:

Too bad he screwed the Jets over all those years ago because you just described them to a T.

 

That will have been 25 years ago next January.   I don't think that would factor in greatly with the Jets if they are in a position where the Jets don't meet expectations.   Johnson basically laid down an ultimatum.  They would be desperate.  Right now Belichick looks like he'd be the clear #1 candidate for any team in that position.  Just weren't any of those jobs this cycle.

[Arkady Renko]

7 hours ago, Big Turk said:

This seems pretty wild...apparently things were worse in NE than many realized even tho you heard some bits and pieces while the dynasty was still going, seems like many former players are speaking out about things and it paints a strange picture...

 

Belichick was an overlord, task-master who treated Brady like an abused dog and Brady was constantly trying to seek and win his approval almost like a son-father relationship growing up...

 

Like the stories about all the kids who are driven to try and prove their greatness to their fathers who never have anyrhing good to say so they work maniacally to continue doing more and more thinking each time that this is going to win his approval, but yet it never does creating a vicious mental cycle where he is trapped because he has put so much effort into it and is so invested that he simply cannot stop, and while he hates him for it, he also loves him too...

 

Just paints a picture of Brady as someone who was emotionally abused like a son who was never good enough no matter what he did...

 

At the end Brady couldn't take any more of it and left, saying he wouldn't sign another contract there even if he wanted to play til he was 50.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/tom-brady-details-declining-relationship-174203443.html

 

Wow.  I need to be harder on my son I guess!

[BullBuchanan]

4 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

what team would want to hire a 73 year old Belichick?

 

Supposedly Dallas reached out to him behind the scenes to gauge interest before sticking with Big Mike this year. So BB doesn't want to go there. 

 

That's the only team I can imagine hiring a 73 year old guy who has only been good with Brady as his QB. 

 

Maybe SF? or Philly? A team that would be good but not good enough and would just want that SB title (in theory) not caring that it's a short term proposition. 

If Buffalo regresses, this year, we should ABSOLUTELY do it. We're the perfect team for his no bull####, insane work ethic approach. Dawkins would finally show up to camp in shape, Josh and WRs wouldn't be having miscommunications about where they thought the ball should be, every player would know every nuance of the rules, our clock management would be the best in the business, alignments and formations would be locked down.

Saying he's only been good with Brady as his QB is a cop out and wrong. He dragged Matt Cassel to 11-5. Jimmy G went 2-0, Jacoby Brisett 1-1. The problem is that every other QB he had in his coaching career (besides Bledsoe) was an unmitigated dumpster fire. Give him Kirk Cousins the last couple years and they're a perennial playoff team.

Edited February 16 by BullBuchanan

[Another Fan]

13 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said:

If Buffalo regresses, this year, we should ABSOLUTELY do it. We're the perfect team for his no bull####, insane work ethic approach. Dawkins would finally show up to camp in shape, Josh and WRs wouldn't be having miscommunications about where they thought the ball should be, every player would know every nuance of the rules, our clock management would be the best in the business, alignments and formations would be locked down.

Saying he's only been good with Brady as his QB is a cop out and wrong. He dragged Matt Cassel to 11-5. Jimmy G went 2-0, Jacoby Brisett 1-1. The problem is that every other QB he had in his coaching career (besides Bledsoe) was an unmitigated dumpster fire. Give him Kirk Cousins the last couple years and they're a perennial playoff team.

While I agree with your sentiments his age now I think has to be at least a factor.  Even Marv called it quits coaching in his early 70s before this youth movement with head coaches.  

[HardyBoy]

7 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

and you made millions of dollars, won multiple Super Bowls, and are viewed as some of the best players and best teams to ever suit up

 

Sorry it wasn't more "fun"

 

 

 

Lol, post meets handle!

[GETTOTHE50]

I hope they both burn in hell 

[Ponch]

11 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

in the end, it worked

 

Peyton Manning had mediocre to poor coaches most of his career. Nice guys, though. 

 

The whole Belichick as Darth Vader in a hoodie, devoid of compassion or joy, existing solely to destroy souls and win Super Bowls, is pretty much spot on. 

 

Brady himself talks about how in his 20's he was more like a typical NFL player... in great shape, yes, but actually enjoyed life a bit. Burgers and beers after games. Like a human being. 

 

If he had one of the "aww shucks" good ole ball coaches maybe he never even wins 1 ring. 

 

 

Did it? 

[Thurman#1]

9 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

If Buffalo regresses, this year, we should ABSOLUTELY do it. We're the perfect team for his no bull####, insane work ethic approach. Dawkins would finally show up to camp in shape, Josh and WRs wouldn't be having miscommunications about where they thought the ball should be, every player would know every nuance of the rules, our clock management would be the best in the business, alignments and formations would be locked down.

Saying he's only been good with Brady as his QB is a cop out and wrong. He dragged Matt Cassel to 11-5. Jimmy G went 2-0, Jacoby Brisett 1-1. The problem is that every other QB he had in his coaching career (besides Bledsoe) was an unmitigated dumpster fire. Give him Kirk Cousins the last couple years and they're a perennial playoff team.

 

 

He dragged Cassel to 11-5 with one of the easiest schedules in history. Even the Fins went 11-5 in the AFC East that year with the easy slate the division faced, when they were 1-15 the year before and 7-9 the year after.

 

In that 11-5 year, the Pats beat three teams with winning records, and two of those were in the division facing the same easy schedule, the Fins, the 9-7 Jets, and the 9-7 Cards.

 

And Kosar was no dumpster fire. He was a pretty solid QB. Garoppolo too. Neither has been really really good but both good.

 

MacCorkle too, really. If he's a dumpster fire, Belichick gets a great deal of the blame. As a rookie, MacCorkle looked really promising. After that, Belichick gave him an OC with a defensive background.

 

 

Edited February 17 by Thurman#1

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

MacCorkle too, really. If he's a dumpster fire, Belichick gets a great deal of the blame. As a rookie, MacCorkle looked really promising. After that, Belichick gave him an OC with a defensive background.

 

 

Remember he is GOAT Cheating General Manager and Head Coach whose owner would not let him make decision on which QB to trade and which one to keep!

How many QBs from Alabama Crimson Tide has he ruined?  We have a Crimson Tide expert on this board and he should know.  @Bill Belicheat?  Tua fortunately was thought of being too weak to play for Beli-CHEAT and was spared his treatment.

 

 

[CheshireCT]

21 hours ago, boyst said:

the activities that fly for jobs like most of us have do not work.

if they treated these nfl players like most people in the office they'd be underwhelming like most people in average office spaces.

if anything, the nfl guys are more like stock brokers or real estate.

 

the jobs are not fun, high pressure, highly competitive, and fueled by more than just money.

What you’re saying is 100% true. However there’s more nuance than that. 
 

You can still hold people accountable, help them to hold themselves accountable, and work intensely and focused in a positive environment. When you’re working with highly competitive people, they’re already criticizing themselves to an extreme and don’t need additional people around them making them feel awful about themselves.

We know more about psychology now than we did 20 years ago even, which is why things stopped working in New England. We know that poor mental health and fear tactics are not necessary for high performance. There are better ways to do it, and no one is going along with the “Patriot way” anymore.

[Simon]

 

Does he cry at the end of this one too?

[TheFunPolice]

On 2/16/2024 at 11:01 PM, Ponch said:

Did it? 

 

6 Super Bowl titles and 9 Super Bowl appearances. Yeah, I would say it worked. 

[uticaclub]

Who cares? I’d rather have an ####### that everyone hates who gets the job done than a nice guy that everyone likes who doesn’t.

Edited February 18 by uticaclub

[BullBuchanan]

On 2/16/2024 at 11:38 PM, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

He dragged Cassel to 11-5 with one of the easiest schedules in history. Even the Fins went 11-5 in the AFC East that year with the easy slate the division faced, when they were 1-15 the year before and 7-9 the year after.

 

In that 11-5 year, the Pats beat three teams with winning records, and two of those were in the division facing the same easy schedule, the Fins, the 9-7 Jets, and the 9-7 Cards.

 

And Kosar was no dumpster fire. He was a pretty solid QB. Garoppolo too. Neither has been really really good but both good.

 

MacCorkle too, really. If he's a dumpster fire, Belichick gets a great deal of the blame. As a rookie, MacCorkle looked really promising. After that, Belichick gave him an OC with a defensive background.

 

 

Garoppolo  went 2-0 under BB as I said. Kosar played one full year under BB and was washed up.