PepeSilvia Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around 2 2 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Yeah that Allen fumble totally screwed us. Very costly. Honestly lost us the game . that failed fake punt where the Chiefs took over on our side of the field and proceeded to fumble the ball out of our end zone screwed us too. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 No blame. But we now know what needs to be fixed. Lots of things can improved in next 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffblue Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around I believe the word you mean is microcosm????? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around You never answered the question.......what are we talking about here?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Just now, Dr.Sack said: No blame. But we now know what needs to be fixed. Lots of things can improved in next 6 months. Not with that cap space will it be fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 minutes ago, Jrb1979 said: Not with that cap space will it be fixed. That is fixed in 5-7 moves. Don’t listen to randos on Twitter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: That is fixed in 5-7 moves. Don’t listen to randos on Twitter. If I am Beane I am looking at mini rebuild while trying to compete. Time to move on from some of the Vets on this team. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: That is fixed in 5-7 moves. Don’t listen to randos on Twitter. Disagree. You're not moving Diggs, Bass, Miller or Knox due their cap hits. Add in the amount of guys that a free agents on this team, it's not a 5-7 move fix. It's more like a 2-3 year retool. They have a lot of holes going into next season with little money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 22 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said: No blame. But we now know what needs to be fixed. Lots of things can improved in next 6 months. Yeah, we need to find a way of minimizing these ridiculous defensive injuries. Sometimes they come in clusters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 minute ago, Jrb1979 said: Disagree. You're not moving Diggs, Bass, Miller or Knox due their cap hits. Add in the amount of guys that a free agents on this team, it's not a 5-7 move fix. It's more like a 2-3 year retool. They have a lot of holes going into next season with little money. The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neo Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around I am awarding “cataclysm” the Malaprop of the Year for 2024 despite the fact that it’s only January. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 5 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: No blame. But we now know what needs to be fixed. Lots of things can improved in next 6 months. It'll be tough with our cap. We're good at OL, RB, TE, CB, LB Our DL needs a finisher. We need to add at least 1 elite WR on the bright side Shakir looks like he'll be a stud. Add a rookie like him to develop Not sure about S, I think Po still has it and Hyde would come back on a team friendly deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m I think this will be a retool offseason and they get rid of some older players Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I feel way better going into this off-season than last season. Lots of young players stepped up. Will be much easier moving on from the older players. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: That is fixed in 5-7 moves. 6 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m "5 -7 moves" Everyone person released has to be replaced. And yeah, let's restructure Diggs and Knox and make them immovable albatrosses for the next 5 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: That is fixed in 5-7 moves. Don’t listen to randos on Twitter. It’s “fixed” by restructuring contracts and kicking the can down the road some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brandon Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m Agreed, but after the second half of this season, I would not restructure Diggs' contract unless I had no choice. I'd also be adding Von Miller to the list of players to release, though they'd probably need to do it after June 1st. But yes, it's time to cull the declining players and dead weight. Edited January 22 by Brandon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Must get younger on Defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Knox will take a pay cut. No other team is paying knox more than $5m per year and he loves it here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoonerBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 8 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around another year of this staff providing Allen with pure **** at WR. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m Looks good. Can't keep restructuring Diggs though.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr.Sack said: The Bills don’t have to do all of these moves. Restructure (savings) Allen - $23.1m Diggs - $13.1m Knox - $6.0m Oliver - $3.5m McGovern - $3.2m Milano - $2.4m Total - $51.3m Release White - $6.2m saved Poyer - $5.5m saved Morse - $5.4m saved Hines - $5.0m saved Harty - $4.1m saved Neal - $2.9m saved Bates - $1.4m saved Martin - $1.25m saved Total $31.75m Extension / Restructure Dawkins - 2 year - $7.1m Douglas - 2 year - $5.9m T. Johnson - 3 year - $4.8m Total - $17.8m Total savings: $100.85m All of those are easy decisions except a couple. I’m not tying myself to Diggs longer than his current contract. I’d bring poyer back at reduced role and money. Knox will take a paycut to stay here. I’m not making any cuts to the O Line. So $70m of that $100m is easy decisions. Diggs and Miller potentially free up cap space in 2024 if you push dead money to 2025. We are in drastically better shape heading into the off-season than it looked like 2 months ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Young guys like Bernard, Benford, Cook, Shakir, Torrence, and Kincaid (listed in no particular order) definitely make it look like they can continue to be one of the better teams while they move on from some of the more expensive veterans. Dorian Williams also looks like he has some potential to improve as he adjusts to the NFL level of play. It doesn't take the sting out of the loss, but at least provides some hope that there will be talent on the roster other than Josh Allen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niagara Dude Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around The Chiefs played 13 personal for many times of the game forcing the Bills to play 3 LB'S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around I blame McD for trading Mahomes to KC…Even if we were to fire our HC, that one mistake would still haunt us until the end of Josh’s career… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 10 hours ago, PepeSilvia said: This game is a cataclysm of the last 6 years into one game. the highs, the lows, the still not being able to cover Travis Kelce, the still letting mahommes pirouette around and get a big first down or finding someone open downfield. Tyler bass didn’t lose this game. From the first snap mistakes were made from Diggs fumbling. To the last drive with Diggs dropping a huge pass, Josh fumbling with 5 mins left and then missing Shakir in the back of the end zone. this is another game of missed opportunities. Blame who you want. There’s plenty to go around I disagree. The losses have had a common theme starting with the Houston playoff game: Poor defensive play either throughout the game (yesterday, Bengals playoff loss & the 2020 AFC championship game) or at critical times in the game (13 seconds game, Houston game). Don't forget we were lucky to beat Indy in 2020 after the D gave up two 4th quarter TD's in a game Buffalo led 24 - 10 early in the 4th. So yes there is a pattern here that can be laid at the feet of the coach, GM and the defense. I include the GM because even though the Bills have one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL they have not addressed glaring weaknesses on offense and have not worked to surround Allen with the best possible weapons. 9 minutes ago, JaCrispy said: I blame McD for trading Mahomes to KC…Even if we were to fire our HC, that one mistake would still haunt us until the end of Josh’s career… Yea and then Andy Reid drafts Allen a year later and we're exactly in the same boat as we are today. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 35 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: I disagree. The losses have had a common theme starting with the Houston playoff game: Poor defensive play either throughout the game (yesterday, Bengals playoff loss & the 2020 AFC championship game) or at critical times in the game (13 seconds game, Houston game). Don't forget we were lucky to beat Indy in 2020 after the D gave up two 4th quarter TD's in a game Buffalo led 24 - 10 early in the 4th. So yes there is a pattern here that can be laid at the feet of the coach, GM and the defense. I include the GM because even though the Bills have one of the top 3 QB's in the NFL they have not addressed glaring weaknesses on offense and have not worked to surround Allen with the best possible weapons. Yea and then Andy Reid drafts Allen a year later and we're exactly in the same boat as we are today. Not if the Bills simply don’t trade the pick in conference to the Chiefs- Bills could still get Allen the following year, if they still chose not to draft Mahomes… But if the Bills did draft Mahomes, then Arizona likely drafts Allen in 2018 because then they wouldn’t have us to compete with… Chiefs made the playoffs with Alex Smith in 2017, so they likely would not have had the ammo to compete with the Cardinals who, I believe were top 12 in the 2018 draft… The issue is not that the Bills didn’t draft Mahomes…The issue is that McD allowed a conference rival to trade up and draft him, likely because he was friends with Reid…I’m sure other teams wanted to trade with us, but McD chose the chiefs, when it should have been out of conference if he wanted to work a trade… Edited January 22 by JaCrispy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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