Einstein Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 53 minutes ago, Einstein said: I guess it’s better if Von beats himself up 5 1 14 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 I respect this. 4 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ManRaid Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Take the couple weeks off, get right for the playoffs. That's what we signed you for. 2 1 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 ]] 1 minute ago, 1ManRaid said: Take the couple weeks off, get right for the playoffs. That's what we signed you for. No. He's cooked this year and may never be back. He's a liability in run protection and Lawson/Jonathan are better options at this point. The Bills best hope is for him to get back to maybe 80% of what he used to be next year as the contract is unforgiving until after next season. 1 2 6 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: ]] No. He's cooked this year and may never be back. He's a liability in run protection and Lawson/Jonathan are better options at this point. The Bills best hope is for him to get back to maybe 80% of what he used to be next year as the contract is unforgiving until after next season. Excluding this season, if you look at his avg sacks per year since entering the league x.8, we’re looking around 8 sacks next year. All things considered, I’d take that. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Funny thing, I had a dream last night about a Von sack this weekend. But, probably just that, as I don’t see him being activated again this week. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Good for Von holding himself accountable and saying the right thing to the media. I still have hope IF the Bills make a run he turns it on for a game or two and makes a couple big plays. 7 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSBill Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 This admission reflects well on him. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoMAn Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 53 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: Excluding this season, if you look at his avg sacks per year since entering the league x.8, we’re looking around 8 sacks next year. All things considered, I’d take that. Sack statistics can be misleading unless they're combined with QB pressures. I wish the stat was commonly displayed as (e.g.) sacks/pressures: 8/22. In my opinion, that would be a better measure of a defenders impact on passing plays. There are a lot of DEs who force QBs into scrambling, throwing INTs, and incompletions. Depending on the mobility of the QBs they face in a given season, the defender may not get a high number of sacks, even if he's contributing to plays that force punts. Sacks are an impressive stat, but only tell part of the story. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Good for Von holding himself accountable and saying the right thing to the media. I still have hope IF the Bills make a run he turns it on for a game or two and makes a couple big plays. His mind says yes, body says no. I’m afraid “that” Von is done. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Good on Von for being a team guy and not your typical star athlete prima donna. Now, obviously, the question is whether he ever gets back to playing at that standard. Will a switch suddenly flip or is the explosiveness gone? I’ll be very surprised if he is active Sunday night. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlbillsfan1975 Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, stinky finger said: His mind says yes, body says no. I’m afraid “that” Von is done. Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EmotionallyUnstable Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 22 minutes ago, SoMAn said: Sack statistics can be misleading unless they're combined with QB pressures. I wish the stat was commonly displayed as (e.g.) sacks/pressures: 8/22. In my opinion, that would be a better measure of a defenders impact on passing plays. There are a lot of DEs who force QBs into scrambling, throwing INTs, and incompletions. Depending on the mobility of the QBs they face in a given season, the defender may not get a high number of sacks, even if he's contributing to plays that force punts. Sacks are an impressive stat, but only tell part of the story. im in agreement with you. To be devils advocate, pressures also aren’t a complete picture as well. It is true a pressure could result in a throw away, turnover or incompletion. It is also true that pressures can result in scrambles, completions or even scores. Part of the reason I believe people cling to sack statistics is because the data reflects a finite ending to the play. ESPN now uses the statistic pass rush win rate to show how well a player is performing. I like this because it offers other context along with it, such as the percentage of times a player is being double teamed, or how many rush snaps they’ve taken. I do think there is a better means to represent impact of pass rushers. That being said, I was only trying to add some context to what 80% of Von could eventually materialize into if we’re so lucky to see him return to that form. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 9 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said: im in agreement with you. To be devils advocate, pressures also aren’t a complete picture as well. It is true a pressure could result in a throw away, turnover or incompletion. It is also true that pressures can result in scrambles, completions or even scores. Part of the reason I believe people cling to sack statistics is because the data reflects a finite ending to the play. ESPN now uses the statistic pass rush win rate to show how well a player is performing. I like this because it offers other context along with it, such as the percentage of times a player is being double teamed, or how many rush snaps they’ve taken. I do think there is a better means to represent impact of pass rushers. That being said, I was only trying to add some context to what 80% of Von could eventually materialize into if we’re so lucky to see him return to that form. Agree on PRWR. I’ll add that another impact of a pass rusher winning quickly is that it will force an offense to scheme quick throws. That makes life on the secondary a lot easier. That results in short throws, interceptions and incompletions, but not sacks. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stinky finger Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 15 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. I believe this contributes as well. My phrasing was incorrect. This coupled with his age will be difficult to overcome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 13 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: Respectfully disagree, it’s the mind that usually holds the person back in instances like this. Physically the knee is repaired and ready to go, mentally he doesn’t trust it yet. He's the most positive person I've ever seen and he returned back to form fairly quickly the last time he tore the same ACL. I don't worry about his mental state. I think tearing the same ACL, age, and maybe more damage/complications compared to the first time he injured it is why he's a shell of his former self this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Hope he can do something useful next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 2 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Hope he can do something useful next year. The sad part is he was everything we hoped for before he tore his ACL. We don't win @Chiefs or @Ravens without him. He also sacked Cousins to force that insane 4th and 18 Jefferson catch. He was something special to watch and it's a darn shame as he could've gone down as one of the best signings in Bills history. 4 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 20 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said: Hope he can do something useful next year. Perhaps he could do the podcasts with Maddy Glab? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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