Ramza86 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Its always been easier for this offense to operate with those standard slot route, but Josh was always looking for the bigger play But things have changed this year...Allen has been working on the mindset to take what the defense gives....that role would be exactly what would help this offense move. Right? Or no? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I agree completely! But who? Hunter Renfrow or Chris Godwin are good options but you'd have to trade for them. Bills need WR to be the #1 priority in the offseason. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Get a stud WR1 and let Shakir take the primary slot role. 5 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Why can’t Kincaid and/or Shakir be that guy? This is where I have issues with the structure of this offense under both coordinations this season. 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted January 1 Author Share Posted January 1 4 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Why can’t Kincaid and/or Shakir be that guy? This is where I have issues with the structure of this offense under both coordinations this season. Shakir has shown he can work anywhere on the field. I think maybe hes a little slower that youd want in the slot and it requires Josh and him to be on the same page. But id certainly like him to be that for us this year. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bermuda Triangle Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 5 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Why can’t Kincaid and/or Shakir be that guy? This is where I have issues with the structure of this offense under both coordinations this season. Kincaid has shown zero RAC ability so far. 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickelCity Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 6 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Why can’t Kincaid and/or Shakir be that guy? This is where I have issues with the structure of this offense under both coordinations this season. Agreed. It certainly doesn't help that defenses don't have to respect our outside receivers...makes the middle of the field much easier to take away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Locomark Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 (edited) I think you may be missing that they are using Kincaid as that 70 catch short 7 yard pass guy this year. He will just get better. The difference was Beasley rarely was able to get anything greater than 15 yards. Edited January 1 by Locomark 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Can we keep Cole Beasley and Isaiah McKenzie in the trunk of old junk never to come out again? Get through this year and draft a real WR with length and speed. Aim higher, raise the bar. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 After watching Harty and Sherfield this season lets just bring them both back for real. Slight sarcasm but is it? I'm more interested in upgrading the outside WR's as Shakir and Kincaid should be able to fill that slot role. That includes drafting one in the first round to compete for the #2 slot and eventually taking over for the perplexing Diggs. It also means finding a more reliable #2 option next year than Gabe Davis for a similar price Kendrick Bourne or Curtis Samuel come to mind but I really haven't looked to far into other possibilities. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 That would be 11 personnel which is now just a thing we sprinkle in every now and then. Had we drafted Josh Downs or Tank Dell or hell let’s go back 3 years ago to St. Brown we would be an 11 personnel team. That said I look around the league and there really does seem to be a move or consensus that 12 is more common and better to take advantage of defenses that have gotten quicker and smaller. I could be wrong tho. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 The pass targets for the remainder of the season, barring injury need to be: Shakir, Kincaid, Diggs & Cook...and if you can find him from the missing milk carton ad, Gabe Davis. You want to sprinkle in a throw to Knox and Ty Johnson once in a while sure. But the other dudes (Murray, Sherfield, Harty, etc..) can be phased out for now. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I noticed Diggs ran a route yesterday that looked just like a beasley route, the defender stayed right with him though. I can't remember when exactly it was in the game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 10 minutes ago, SirAndrew said: Why can’t Kincaid and/or Shakir be that guy? This is where I have issues with the structure of this offense under both coordinations this season. See, I think Shakir is kind of like Davis. He is an excellent 3rd option. He thrives in being the afterthought on offense. But I think we need someone more dynamic in the #2 role, and I don't see him as a dedicated slot player. I'd like to see Davis walk, draft a WR high to be the #2, bring in a good slot option, and then let Shakir continue in his current role, with maybe rotating at #2 some with the rookie to give him some more reps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 3 minutes ago, Bermuda Triangle said: Kincaid has shown zero RAC ability so far. I’ve noticed that with Kincaid as well. In fact it’s been my only disappointment with him. I’ve mentioned this lack of playmaking ability when folks compare him to other elite tight ends. However, that’s not what I saw from him as a college player. The NFL is obviously a step up with faster defensive players, but I’m not convinced his RAC ability is as bad as appears. I don’t think the routes he’s asked to run put him in the best position to make plays. He’s taking on a role that’s similar to running backs as outlet receivers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 This upcoming draft has to put WR as the top priority. Say what you will about Diggs (I don’t think he magically fell off a cliff mid-season, I think he’s working past an injury we aren’t aware of personally) but at some point will slow down and settle into a WR2/Slot type of player. We need speed, size, and a menace on the outside. Shakir I feel is a very good option at #3 and Kincaid has great hands. Not sure if he’s ever gonna rack up a ton of YAC but he will be trusted to catch when it’s thrown his direction. I’m not sure who will be there at 32 (fingers crossed 🤞) but there’s a precedent to find our future WR connection with Josh sooner than later. There is a lot of talent at the position this year, and god help the league if we hit on a top-tier WR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UmbrellaMan Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 Can Kaiir Elam play WR? He ran a 4.39 at the combine, and was an excellent WR in high school. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 I miss the Beasley underneath roll. That's when our offense was clicking 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 23 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: Its always been easier for this offense to operate with those standard slot route, but Josh was always looking for the bigger play But things have changed this year...Allen has been working on the mindset to take what the defense gives....that role would be exactly what would help this offense move. Right? Or no? Never mind all that … what’s your brother saying now about the Rasul Douglas trade ? Is he still laughing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SirAndrew Posted January 1 Share Posted January 1 2 minutes ago, MJS said: See, I think Shakir is kind of like Davis. He is an excellent 3rd option. He thrives in being the afterthought on offense. But I think we need someone more dynamic in the #2 role, and I don't see him as a dedicated slot player. I'd like to see Davis walk, draft a WR high to be the #2, bring in a good slot option, and then let Shakir continue in his current role, with maybe rotating at #2 some with the rookie to give him some more reps. I’m definitely on board with drafting a number two. My only disagreement is that I wouldn’t be fearful of trying Shakir in the slot position. The addition of a solid rookie in the number two receiver role would be huge, and frees up a lot of space in the middle of the field. Guys like Shakir developing into starting roles separate championship teams from those chasing their tails. You can only bring in so many players, draft choices need to become those guys at some point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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