Rigotz Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 LIGHT HIM ON FIRE AND TRADE HIM FOR A 7TH! TRADE HIM POST JUNE 1ST TO SPREAD HIS $8M DEAD CAP HIT OUT TO TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF PAYING HIM $3.7M TO ACTUALLY PLAY HERE. GIT ER DONE BEAN ! 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 7 minutes ago, Rigotz said: LIGHT HIM ON FIRE AND TRADE HIM FOR A 7TH! TRADE HIM POST JUNE 1ST TO SPREAD HIS $8M DEAD CAP HIT OUT TO TWO YEARS INSTEAD OF PAYING HIM $3.7M TO ACTUALLY PLAY HERE. GIT ER DONE BEAN ! He’s played 165 snaps over 3 games this year, 2 of them bad losses. $3.7M to actually play here would mean more if he actually played here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 30 minutes ago, FireChans said: When did Jerry and Hogan announce their injuries? I think it probably didn’t help his performance, but he was flat out beat by Benford in preseason. In the surgery rooms immediately after the season. Hogan took a ton of heat from fans in 2015 for an atypically high number of drops but his injury was hidden until after the season. I'm not actually sure what you're point is; this is pretty well known. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 36 minutes ago, FireChans said: When did Jerry and Hogan announce their injuries? I think it probably didn’t help his performance, but he was flat out beat by Benford in preseason. That's true. But maybe Benford is a pretty good player who has played well above his draft status, and also played a similar scheme in college. While it's disappointing that the Bills have not gotten more out of their 1st round pick to date, they've gotten a lot of very good play out of their 6th round pick. Just because Benford is ahead of Elam at this stage of their careers doesn't necessarily mean that Elam is a bad player. (He may very well be bad, but the fact that someone else played better is not indicative of that.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 10 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: In the surgery rooms immediately after the season. Hogan took a ton of heat from fans in 2015 for an atypically high number of drops but his injury was hidden until after the season. I'm not actually sure what you're point is; this is pretty well known. Immediately after the season. Exactly my point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, FireChans said: He’s played 165 snaps over 3 games this year, 2 of them bad losses. $3.7M to actually play here would mean more if he actually played here It's almost as if ... he was injured ... 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: It's almost as if ... he was injured ... Yeah which means his value currently is a negative. If Elam were traded, we’d at least save money. Same result is no Elam on the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 The whole thing with Elam just doesn’t make any sense to me and I totally believe what he is saying here He did not look bad whenever you got his opportunities last year so to just follow off a cliff like he did make no sense to me all along. It also doesn’t make sense to me. The McDermott might have squashed him because basically McDermott is the cornerback whisperer. You can say a lot of things about him, but he knows how to coach secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 14 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah which means his value currently is a negative. If Elam were traded, we’d at least save money. Same result is no Elam on the field. So ... trade Matt Milano too? He gets injured sometimes. Negative value to the team? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 17 minutes ago, FireChans said: Yeah which means his value currently is a negative. If Elam were traded, we’d at least save money. Same result is no Elam on the field. We'd see 1.7M in dead cap in 2024 and 2025, and there would be ~2M in 2024 savings. This is pretty much the going rate for a backup corner in UFA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 26 minutes ago, FireChans said: Immediately after the season. Exactly my point. One person got injured midway through the season and would have had to shut it all down for the rest of the year if he had surgery. Another person got hurt much earlier in the year. They are not the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 Baylon Spector should be waived too Limping in practice last week 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I dont understand why people would want to trade him now. He has a plausible reason why he was not playing well. He already showed talent on the field last year. We should be asking why McDumbass didn't just put him on IR in the first place instead of making him a "healthy scratch" when it appears he was not healthy. McD is building a nice track record of mischaracterizing players. First he makes Diggs look like a malcontent and now he makes Elam look like a bust. God I hate our head coach!!!!! 1 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 18 hours ago, BeastMaster said: This is the best possible scenario for the Bills, and it explains alot in regards to him. I didn't believe he was not one of the top 3 or 4 DB's on this team, and I refused to go along with the sentiment on this board that he was a bust. He looked too much like he belonged last season for him to be not worthy to play on gamedays. Now I believe we know why. Lots of posters here should be embarrassed about their trash takes on the kid and their willingness to dump him We HOPE it explains a lot. He was already sliding down the depth chart before he was injured if I recall correctly. 6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: I dont understand why people would want to trade him now. He has a plausible reason why he was not playing well. He already showed talent on the field last year. We should be asking why McDumbass didn't just put him on IR in the first place instead of making him a "healthy scratch" when it appears he was not healthy. McD is building a nice track record of mischaracterizing players. First he makes Diggs look like a malcontent and now he makes Elam look like a bust. God I hate our head coach!!!!! McDermott doesn't make IR decisions. That is Beane's responsibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 12 minutes ago, Jauronimo said: We HOPE it explains a lot. He was already sliding down the depth chart before he was injured if I recall correctly. McDermott doesn't make IR decisions. That is Beane's responsibility. It could be just as simple as Binford is better, which is not a bad thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Still have hope for Elam injuries can really hamper play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 20 hours ago, DapperCam said: Well don’t we all look like a bunch of pricks. Only to Tom Brady… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 (edited) 1 hour ago, Jauronimo said: We HOPE it explains a lot. He was already sliding down the depth chart before he was injured if I recall correctly. The article on it says he initially injured his ankle in the 1st preseason game then tore in the 2nd. So the cause/effect could have been injured -> sliding down depth chart The concern I have (then and now) is apparently he didn't choose a surgical repair. I'm not sure he chose wisely. Edited December 14, 2023 by Beck Water Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Why is Kaiir a full participant in practice this week? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 8 minutes ago, FireChans said: Why is Kaiir a full participant in practice this week? ostensibly because his ankle is all healed up, the rest when he was on IR probably did him some good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 10:28 AM, BuffaloRebound said: So you’re taking Elam’s side here? Meanie McDermott made him play when he should’ve got surgery. Yet he still didn’t get surgery when he went on IR. Listen BR, there are players that play with injuries pretty much every game throughout the season on every team, go clutch your pearls somewhere else…, everyone would appreciate it, GO BILLS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 27 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: Listen BR, there are players that play with injuries pretty much every game throughout the season on every team, go clutch your pearls somewhere else…, everyone would appreciate it, GO BILLS!!! Bizarre how people take the side of fringe players like Elam over our coach and the organization. Now that Elam’s healthy, maybe he can beat out Cam Lewis and suit up on Sunday. Go Bills!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Just now, BuffaloRebound said: Bizarre how people take the side of fringe players like Elam over our coach and the organization. Now that Elam’s healthy, maybe he can beat out Cam Lewis and suit up on Sunday. Go Bills!!!!!!! Bizarre how people segue into irrelevant nonsense to double down on their initial erroneous statements, but you do you, 😁👍🍸🚬 GO BILLS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 3 hours ago, RiotAct said: ostensibly because his ankle is all healed up, the rest when he was on IR probably did him some good. Why is he not designated to return then? Ostensibly-speaking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 16, 2023 Share Posted December 16, 2023 2 hours ago, BuffaloRebound said: Bizarre how people take the side of fringe players like Elam over our coach and the organization. Now that Elam’s healthy, maybe he can beat out Cam Lewis and suit up on Sunday. Go Bills!!!!!!! I'd rather see Elam than Lewis or Siran Neal. Personally speaking 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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