NewEra Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 11 hours ago, John from Riverside said: If you bring him back, then draft a wide receiver in the first round With any kind of luck, the draft will push Gabe Davis to the third wr I don’t think this is an option. Our resources are limited this offseason. We can’t afford to spend the money on Davis and our top offseason asset on the same position. unless we can get gabe for a bargain contract- I’d pass on him and use the 1st on a WR. Spend the money on Edge and DT. The majority of our DL are FA. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 If you can re sign him for 5-9 million you do, that's nothing for a wr these days The problem is he is going to get closer to 16-20 per from a desperate team 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) Want a run game? Then you need receivers who can do both run block, and catch.. Sign Gabe. . Edited December 25, 2023 by Brian Higgins hair 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loyal2dagame Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 He's not worth what another team will surely pay. Big NO for bringing him back 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: If you can re sign him for 5-9 million you do, that's nothing for a wr these days The problem is he is going to get closer to 16-20 per from a desperate team I don't think he comes anywhere CLOSE to that. Draft is deep at WR. The FA market right now is projected deep at WR. Teams won't have to overspend on middle of the road WRs. I think he comes in right about at the Allen Lazard level contract. At the $11M-ish level I wouldn't bring him back...but I bet Brandon Beane does. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, NewEra said: I don’t think this is an option. Our resources are limited this offseason. We can’t afford to spend the money on Davis and our top offseason asset on the same position. unless we can get gabe for a bargain contract- I’d pass on him and use the 1st on a WR. Spend the money on Edge and DT. The majority of our DL are FA. I think that’s the most likely option however I feel that some of those guys on the DL are coming back on cheap contracts. Floyd is the only concern I have in terms of retention and dollars for that. What happens if there’s a massive run on WRs again like last year? Do they then dip into defense again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 15 hours ago, Limeaid said: Which means it is a good idea for Bills to sign him again. Absolutely not. Somehow you think you are some sort of leper which makes thread untouchable once you say it is over. I bet you cannot follow your own advice and will continue posting on it. Lol...excellent post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 3 hours ago, BearNorth said: Spotrac says he could get $13.5 AAV in Free Agency. If he does that Diggs will probably have his agent speed dialing Beane. Bye Davis if you get some offer like that. Hope it is a NFC team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, BBFL said: I think that’s the most likely option however I feel that some of those guys on the DL are coming back on cheap contracts. Floyd is the only concern I have in terms of retention and dollars for that. What happens if there’s a massive run on WRs again like last year? Do they then dip into defense again? 🤷🏻♂️ - but I don’t think we do both. I also think this years WR class is much better. Better high end talent as well as better options late rd 1 into rd 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Brian Higgins hair said: Want a run game? Then you need receivers who can do both run block, and catch.. Sign Gabe. Agree but not at 8 figures. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted December 25, 2023 Author Share Posted December 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Limeaid said: Bye Davis if you get some offer like that. Hope it is a NFC team. I hope an afc team pays him that or more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: If you can re sign him for 5-9 million you do, that's nothing for a wr these days The problem is he is going to get closer to 16-20 per from a desperate team I find this hard to believe…It’s not like he has untapped potential, due to athletic ability…Davis has basically reached his ceiling as an unreliable, unathletic #3/#4 receiver… No smart team would pay him #2 money…They would sooner take their chances on an upgrade WR in the draft…👍 As for the Bills, the mentality of our front office should be to draft a #2 receiver, that they see as a potential replacement for Diggs…That is not Davis… Edited December 25, 2023 by JaCrispy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted December 25, 2023 Share Posted December 25, 2023 This is how I see it. Orange, I would take over Gabe. Green, is basically two #1's. Red, these teams just don't have legitimate WR cores and they're bad teams. We could say, sure, see, Gabe is better than these, but being better than the worst isn't how we become better. Gabe has an average depth of target and catch% as a result of his ADOT that is among the worst in football. It makes him a one trick pony. If we had the other ingredients like a big body possession WR with a very low ADOT perhaps his profile would balance it out. But we don't have that. Keeping Gabe has prevented us from developing a WR core that is more diverse. It's a big part of what leads to our inconsistency. Perhaps another team will pay for Gabe's skill set. That shouldn't be our concern, he is unquestionably holding us back by being slotted in as a starter which has prevented us from upgrading. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 7 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I find this hard to believe…It’s not like he has untapped potential, due to athletic ability…Davis has basically reached his ceiling as an unreliable, unathletic #3/#4 receiver… No smart team would pay him #2 money…They would sooner take their chances on an upgrade WR in the draft…👍 As for the Bills, the mentality of our front office should be to draft a #2 receiver, that they see as a potential replacement for Diggs…That is not Davis… A lot of dumb teams out there He will sign a contract for that money but could very well never see it in my opinion A team will structure his contract as a 3 or 4 year deal at 60ish but the guaranteed will be about 20 or less and really be just a two year deal. Which I honestly think a good amount of teams will line up to offer Gabe coming off his first contract where he put up alright numbers is young enough where he will be looking to max his potential in my opinion which will lead to a low guarantee but a large total contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted December 26, 2023 Share Posted December 26, 2023 39 minutes ago, Cheektowaga Chad said: A lot of dumb teams out there He will sign a contract for that money but could very well never see it in my opinion A team will structure his contract as a 3 or 4 year deal at 60ish but the guaranteed will be about 20 or less and really be just a two year deal. Which I honestly think a good amount of teams will line up to offer Gabe coming off his first contract where he put up alright numbers is young enough where he will be looking to max his potential in my opinion which will lead to a low guarantee but a large total contract Gabe has been prepared each season working out and studying. He has intelligent advisors. He will not accept a contract which is for a fool as you describe sacrificing guaranteed for potential big money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/gabriel-davis-47723/market-value/ Spottrac has him at 13.5 a year simply for his receiving ability, and his blocking has real value. If he signs for less than $50 million total I would surprised unless Buffalo wins the SB and he takes $40 for 4 years so he can keep winning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 I see Kincaid as the WR2 in this offense, split with James Cook. I assume the Bills will move Shakir up in the depth chart and then draft a speedy WR especially to stretch the defense. The Bills still have significant weapons on offense and are unable to use them to their advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 On 12/25/2023 at 8:44 AM, Cheektowaga Chad said: If you can re sign him for 5-9 million you do, that's nothing for a wr these days The problem is he is going to get closer to 16-20 per from a desperate team God Bless America! if he gets close to 16-20 million. I see him getting like a 2 year deal for 20-24 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 (edited) It’s time to spin the wheel on a proper WR2. If not for me, do it for our hero Josh. NFL GMs are smart people. They know that Gabe is a WR3/WR4. Edited December 27, 2023 by Since1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaenon Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Gabe is on pace for his best season yet, despite not being a part of the offense 30% of games, sans blocking. He's 800 yards and 7 TDs a year. I'm not sure what market value is there, but who knows, maybe there is a team out there that wants to showcase him as a #1? Diggs and Davis's stats over there first 4 seasons aren't all that different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 On 12/25/2023 at 3:31 PM, Mikie2times said: This is how I see it. Orange, I would take over Gabe. Green, is basically two #1's. Red, these teams just don't have legitimate WR cores and they're bad teams. We could say, sure, see, Gabe is better than these, but being better than the worst isn't how we become better. Gabe has an average depth of target and catch% as a result of his ADOT that is among the worst in football. It makes him a one trick pony. If we had the other ingredients like a big body possession WR with a very low ADOT perhaps his profile would balance it out. But we don't have that. Keeping Gabe has prevented us from developing a WR core that is more diverse. It's a big part of what leads to our inconsistency. Perhaps another team will pay for Gabe's skill set. That shouldn't be our concern, he is unquestionably holding us back by being slotted in as a starter which has prevented us from upgrading. This kinda put into perspective how relatively good he is compared to most WR2s for me. I think I'd probably only take 10 of the other WR2s you listed over Davis. At any rate, we need to start cutting costs somewhere and this might be one of the places that we unfortunately do. If we can bring him back on a bargain contract, I'd gladly take him (and while I think he COULD get a big contract, I think there's also serious risk that a lot of free agent WRs, himself included, end up stuck with a disappointing contract due to how strong the draft is and how many good free agent WRs there will likely be this offseason). I want to go WR in Round 1 or 2 if at all possible in the draft and hopefully give us another option, but having Gabe as a cheap #3 would be nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted December 27, 2023 Share Posted December 27, 2023 Whatever money Harty, Dotson and Sherfield gets, give it up to keep Gabe. 50% of Gabe's problem is Josh. And, the rest is on him. All our receivers are having a problem holding on to the ball this year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Higgins hair Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 (edited) Well. Monday’s game will decide it. If KS shows his stuff well, he will likely be our #2 going forward. Cap issues are front and center. Unless Gabe takes a homer, which I personally wouldn’t, we’ll go with the 3rd rookie contract. . Edited January 13 by Brian Higgins hair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted January 13 Share Posted January 13 15 minutes ago, Brian Higgins hair said: Well. Monday’s game will decide it. If KS shows his stuff well, he will likely be our #2 going forward. Cap issues are front and center. Unless Gabe takes a homer, which I personally wouldn’t, we’ll go with the 3rd rookie contract. . You think?? Seems KS is a better slot guy than a #2. I can see it being like it was 3 or 4 years ago. Beasley was the slot guy, not the #2, but had more receptions and many more targets than the #2 WR. That brings up what do you do with Davis. I'd like to see him brought back mainly for his blocking abilities assuming he takes a number representative of what he's done. I would then draft a true WR in the 1st or 2nd round. Think that would especially help if replacing the #2 WR with a rookie, when need blocking, bring in Davis and even early in year let Davis play more Davis is then the $4 WR or moves up in case on injury to someone. I'd also then look to sign someone who's a good return guy to take Hardy's place, maybe it's Hines on a cheaper deal, that would allow the Bills to then release both Hardy and Shefeld WR group is then Diggs, rookie, KS, Davis, Shorter, and maybe someone like an Isabella as a PS callup when needed or they sign someone else too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 We need a #2 who can take the top off of defenses, Diggs is our #1, #2 should be a speed merchant, slot should be a great possession receiver with great awareness of field positions and the line to gain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted January 14 Share Posted January 14 On 12/27/2023 at 9:28 AM, Buffaloflash said: Whatever money Harty, Dotson and Sherfield gets, give it up to keep Gabe. 50% of Gabe's problem is Josh. And, the rest is on him. All our receivers are having a problem holding on to the ball this year. That post most certainly didn't age well.🫢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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