Dr.Sack Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 3 hours ago, GoBills! said: Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays. K-Gun needs to come back. Great idea. Thurman and Jim need to come to the next practice. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 22, 2023 Author Share Posted October 22, 2023 1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said: you forgot to ad "forever" after "suggesting". But the reality is that they need to play with a lot more urgency on offense to get in front of teams and "allow the defense to pin it's ears back on the DL and cover"........to paraphrase McD postgame today. The issues with playing faster: 1) They don't have to the playmaking personnel that they can just leave on the field in all down and distance situations. They've added a bunch of spare parts to "hopefully" be better situationally but they don't have enough playmakers that they can just leave on the field for 8-12 plays and trap a defense into favorable looks. This allows defense's to substitute and match up better and execute their game plan. Which typically includes slowing/shortening the game and subsequently limiting the Bills scoring opportunities in the process. 2) With the injuries on defense they lack the depth they once had to play 15-18 minute defensive halves if the uptempo style isn't speedboating the opponent. We are a speedy inside guy probably vet away from having a good combo, Kincaid, Diggs, Murray. Murray can block and run, Diggs do his thing and Kincaid catches everything around his space. Murray can also block if they feel the blitz would blow up our momentum with a sack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 It never fails. "Bring back the K-Gun" has been the rallying cry for 25 years whenever the Bills' offense falters. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionel Hutz Posted October 22, 2023 Share Posted October 22, 2023 I wouldn’t mind if they bring back the red helmets and the jerseys from the 90s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 40 minutes ago, GoBills! said: We are a speedy inside guy probably vet away from having a good combo, Kincaid, Diggs, Murray. Murray can block and run, Diggs do his thing and Kincaid catches everything around his space. Murray can also block if they feel the blitz would blow up our momentum with a sack. I don't think some slot only inside guy is any kind of answer. I know they had a good run with peak Beasley in 2020 but they also had John Brown opposite Diggs early in that season when they were REALLY explosive. In 2021 with Beasley they were inconsistent on offense, subsequently 6-5 thru 11 games like they probably will be this season........it just wasn't good enough. What they need is a WR1B.......like many of the top teams have. Diggs and Kincaid can be great slot options. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 We don’t have a good enough O line, which was the key to our no huddle success with Kelly and Co. We also don’t have the same number of skill players to make it work, either. Outside of Josh and Diggs, we just don't have the K Gun horses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianthomas Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 we just need to play to our strengths, stay disciplined & execute, thats it. We don't need any gimmicks or revolutionary changes. But staying disciplined in & of itself would be a revolutionary change. Being prepared to face each new team each week would be a change, because for some reason we just havent been. Theres many problems with going into a K-gun offense. 1st off no K. But the biggest issue is being the extra pressure it puts on your defense when you go 3 & out in short fashion & the defense is back on the field again. They're already dinged up & a liability, seems like a recipe for disaster. We just need to sustain drives, control the tempo & possession & stay disciplined, we do that we win most games. But our team plays like they dont care until theyre absolutely forced to. Coach needs to get them to play like the game is on the line from the very 1st snap of the ball. Not just when youre down a couple scores in the 4th qtr imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luka Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 I'd just be happy with some tempo once in awhile to capitalize on momentum after a big play. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 5 hours ago, GoBills! said: Is it just me or is the Josh calling plays at the line and forcing the opponent no chance to sub the best route we have to score. I feel like the backyard ball Josh can play with our Wr's is best by keeping the D on the toes. I am done with the shotgun draws for 2-3 yards no one is falling for those. Let Josh be his own playcaller the way Peyton and others do. I'd rather he improvise at the line vs watching the D prepare for the same vanilla 7 plays. K-Gun needs to come back. So you’re saying to essentially cut out the middle man(Dorsey)? 2 hours ago, Punch said: It never fails. "Bring back the K-Gun" has been the rallying cry for 25 years whenever the Bills' offense falters. It’s desperation talk for sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 This is the perfect QB and and offensive personnel to run the no huddle. The problem is Sean is old school, defensive. minded HC, who wants to control the ball and play solid defense. Sadly the team has been decimated by injuries on the defense and now we have to outscore the opposition in high scoring games. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 23, 2023 Author Share Posted October 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Punch said: It never fails. "Bring back the K-Gun" has been the rallying cry for 25 years whenever the Bills' offense falters. Name a more successful offense since that style for our team? Kelly average over 3k yards passing those years in a much more difficult league for Qbs. Not saying do it all the time but why not start hot and jam it down their throat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punch Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 44 minutes ago, GoBills! said: Name a more successful offense since that style for our team? Kelly average over 3k yards passing those years in a much more difficult league for Qbs. Not saying do it all the time but why not start hot and jam it down their throat. Do you think the NFL game environment has changed since 1990-92? How many Hall of Famers are on the current roster? Has Josh Allen ever called his own plays? Meanwhile, this Bills offense has shown it can score at will several times over since 2020. I'd prefer they do what they do best rather than resurrect ancient history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Coot Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The K-Gun O line was orders of magnitude better than the Josh-Gun O line. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 While this would be great, you can forget about it. This team sucks because of the head coach and his conservative philosophy. McD and Dorsey have destroyed this offense and neutered the QB. Just accept the season is over. One of the greatest athletes in NFL history and you ***** cutting his balls off. Unbelievable 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 The K gun and it’s feature of the QB calling a limited package of plays is obsolete in todays NFL. Tempo may be important from time to time , but the recent offensive struggle aren’t about tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Just need the hurry up, not the K gun. i think we should bring up Isabella for some speed and put him in the slot 8 hours ago, GoBills! said: It seemed that way, I think he has a great grasp on the D and also seeing the match ups. Ball certainly gets spread around more when he is running the hurry up. He also needs to run more . Not as much as before but about half as much. Hes neutering himself by taking his scrambling ability away. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted October 23, 2023 Share Posted October 23, 2023 Oh look, the annual Kgun/hurry-up offense thread. It must be October. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills! Posted October 25, 2023 Author Share Posted October 25, 2023 Diggs seem to elude to the fact that we need a fast pace in his interview, allow josh more time at the line and maybe then Diggs gives him input on coverages and weak spots. At least thats what I took from his interview. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 One of the absolutes in life, along with death and taxes, is the fact that when any Bills offense is struggling from now until eternity, someone will demand a return to a no-huddle offense and if they are already running one the solution is to run it faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted October 25, 2023 Share Posted October 25, 2023 I'd like to see it - but not all the time. I think it's something they should mix into games once in awhile. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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