gobills1212 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. Dont be that guy. Had this have worked, no one ever wld have questioned it. You either want your team to be agressive or you dont. The bad look is complaining abt it after the fact. Id hope 80% of coaches make that call. I'm also happy ours is in the majority of that 80% 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. The third down decision was the blunder. If you know you are willing to kick the field goal third down should be a running play. Make the giants burn their last time out and maybe pick up a couple of yards 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigPappy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, buffalo2218 said: There's no way Taron didn't interfere with Waller on that last pass. Had his back turned to the QB the whole time and hooked his left arm to prevent making the catch Doesn't matter, he didn't hook his arm in until the ball arrived to prevent Waller from getting the other arm up, plus as the ball arrived Taron took his other arm and knocked the ball free. It was a totally clean play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 6 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. With hindsight, I think you're right. But Bass is so damn good, so consistently, that I had no problem at the time. So I can't blame them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) Missing two long kicks is not Indicative that Bass not reliable or “shaky” total offensive failure. Shouldn’t have to leave it to kicker anyway Edited October 16, 2023 by Blackbeard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 So it was not shotgun draw from the half yard line? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 (edited) 56 minutes ago, BigPappy said: Doesn't matter, he didn't hook his arm in until the ball arrived to prevent Waller from getting the other arm up, plus as the ball arrived Taron took his other arm and knocked the ball free. It was a totally clean play. LMAO, clean you say? Um no, not even close to clean. Johnson was clearly holding his jersey on his break and prevented Waller from getting his arm up. It's especially PI if it was as the ball arrived. 10 times out of 10, it's PI if it's someone like Mahomes instead of Taylor throwing the ball Edited October 16, 2023 by buffalo2218 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 1 hour ago, NewEra said: This isn’t correct imo. We routinely pound inferior teams. That’s why our win margin is the best in football by the widest of margins since 2020. We put up stinkers from time to time. Like most teams Sure, most of the time we do win big. But sometimes we get caught up in the moment and play down to the other team's level. I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Amen. Tyrod is not going 90 yards in 1:30.. Was an awful decision by MCD. Even if you hit the FG, it’s still a one score game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. Agree it is irrelevant now, especially given T Bass & his history ! The guy is usually & was up until last night MONEY . I guess every one can have a bad night & Bass had his last night of all nights . If he would have hit both of those kicks it wouldn't have come down to the nail biter that it was so to blame McD for making what you consider the wrong call when you have a kicker as i said that more likely than not can & has put points in the bank is a secondary opinion . I believe that his analytics team would say the same in that situation too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 2 minutes ago, Utah John said: Sure, most of the time we do win big. But sometimes we get caught up in the moment and play down to the other team's level. I don't know why. Because every team in every sport sometimes does this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pocoboy Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. This has nothing to do with past history. It has everything to do with the soundness of the strategic mind, and we all know how that goes with McDermott. If your "we get no yardage" plan is to kick a field goal, your foremost goal should be to tap out their time outs & try to gain low-risk yards to get closer. This is because the best case scenario (for the Bills) in today's rules they'll get the kickoff at the 25 with lots of time. You then force them to go the field with Tyrod, no time outs, plus they need a 2 point conversion, assuming you make. If you miss, they still get the ball as they did, but again with no time outs. IF YOU PASS, you should punt. End of story. You pass because you plan to pin them deep. Sure, they could still return it, or the ball could go in the end zone, or they could block it (they can also block a FGA). But you would be willing to risk leaving them a time out if you are going to strand them >80 yards from the victory. I think the play call was good, the execution level of this team has been poor at best. It pains me to say this because it's a f'ing Pats quote, but it looks like the offense isn't "doing their job." on a day to day basis. Sloppy, uninspired, & unprepared all around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. If we had punted, you would have bitched about that too. You can deny it, but we know better. It's what TBD does. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I take the kick everytime. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 7 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: The decision to kick a 53 FG when already up 4+ points knowing your kicker has been shaky and shanked another 53 yarder earlier in the game. Missing the kick would put the Giants in good field position w/ a time out to work with and ample time to dink & dunk their way down to the red zone. If McDermott would’ve punted, it would’ve placed the Giants around the 10 (who haven’t scored a TD in multiple games) and made them drive 90 yards! This decision would’ve eliminated all those Trent Edwards check downs and forced Tyrod to make multiple big plays. I’m sure the analytics would back this up all day. I know it’s irrelevant now, but the Bills are darn lucky to have escaped this game w/ a win. The BIGGEST blunder of the game will remain with TT checking into a run at half. 3 points there and the Giants Kick at the end for a win and not have to try and get the TD. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 You have to live with the kick there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
streetkings01 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 If Knox catches that pass we take 3 kneel downs and game over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 I know the Bills were playing for the first down but I don’t get why they didn’t just run 3 straight times force giants to take all their timeouts and then Punt. Pretty sure odds would have said this gave them the best chance to win. 50+ yard field goals are only about a 60% chance and even if you make it you give them the ball at the 25 with more time and a timeout by not running on third down. The game at that point was all about clock mgmt. which over mcdermotts career he has shown to be horrible with. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocbillsfan1 Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: You have to live with the kick there. No you actually don’t. Idk why people keep saying this. The giants offense was struggling why give them time and a timeout in their pocket. So stupid. Pin them deep with little time and the game is about over. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RichRiderBills Posted October 16, 2023 Share Posted October 16, 2023 Thought Knox drop was bumble of the game. He just constantly blows clutch plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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