warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Berrios is a UFA next year too so they are in alot of trouble. Also used Draft capital that they could have used to fill this team with impactful rookie contracts on the Chubbs, Ramseys, and Armsteads of the world. Now they have no major talent on Rookie Deals. It looks to me like a Bills year two (under McD) stepback coming next year to be honest. It looks work than I thought. 39M over the cap 39 Players on Contract Javon Holland being really the ONLY impact player on a Rookie Deal (Achane too but that is a RB) Connor Williams (primary OG) and now showing can start at Center as well He will get 15M AAV in market. Wilkins - Smart move here is to deal him at the deadline for picks (they wont this is their window) but they will not re-sign him he wants top 5 DT money and in Fangios defense not the same player two gapping - So he will leave and they will love the 3rd compensatory as well because they will need to sign UFAs Van Ginkel - will be paid either in MIA or elswhere Fangio defense he is excelling in and will make himself alot of money this year Elliott - should be re-signed (likely will get paid elsewhere) but really the ONLY safety that fits what Fangio wants to do. To be honest the RIGHT way for MIA to fix their defense is Fire the locked in his way Fangio and hire a DC that will tailor His effective scheme to the players (maybe Salah once he is fired). I love Javon Holland's game. He has future Bill written all over him (that would be great) All in all, I agree with this post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L Ron Burgundy Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 12 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Ross wants to win a SB so badly just to rub it Goodell's face for punishing him. Because of this, he's demanding high-profile moves even if they don't make sense. People remember Chubb from the draft. I mean, they were trying to get Jonathan Taylor just to make a splash when RB is a strong suit of their roster. They sign an obviously declining Jalen Ramsay. All these moves fit the mold of an owner meddling in player-personnel decisions. I dont know if it's true but it fits. The Ramsey move to me is the biggest head-scratcher. He's lost more than a step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 They will restructure plenty of deals the next few years the same as Beane has been doing If anything the Bills are in more of a precarious salary cap position because we have already restucutred lots of deals. I don't think Miami has begun that part of there cycle yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Now in comparison Bills 31M over cap. with 42 players on contract. So we will have work to do as well. We have Tickets of producing players that can be cashed for space (unlike MIA). Though we also have to start getting more impact from players on Rookie Deals (specially on Offense) but That said here is a similar Comparison Cook Rookie Deal - Achane Davis - Waddle Shakir - Need more from him on his rookie deal soon Shorter - cannot wait to see if we have something there as he comes off his redshirt season (Kind of need him to perform on this rookie deal) Kincaid Brown what looks like coming back into form like rookie year is VITAL for the OL on while on his rookie deal Torrence - Performing like he is as a Rookie is HUGE, you could have a future All Pro on a cost controlled contract until 2026. Groot doing what he is on his Rookie Deal Bernard playing like he is IS HUGE for cap management going forward Benford a starting CB on a rookie Deal Dane a solid BU on his Rookie deal There is just more that allows flexibility here compared to MIA because of the impact players we do have on rookie deals. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
warrior9 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: They will restructure plenty of deals the next few years the same as Beane has been doing If anything the Bills are in more of a precarious salary cap position because we have already restucutred lots of deals. I don't think Miami has begun that part of there cycle yet. The Bills have more than 35 players under contract lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PatsFanNH Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 40 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He is on his 5th year next year. A re-signing even with top money lowers his immediate hit. I think Waddle will be gone and not get a second contract Wilkins will walk Williams NEEDS to be re-signed he handles the protections not Tua Waddle I have a big feeling doesnt see a second contract either That would be JETS like for them not to resign Waddle. I say this because Hill has already stated he is retiring when his contract is up. So they would literally in 2 years go from the best WR Dia to not having a top weapon anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, ddaryl said: They will restructure plenty of deals the next few years the same as Beane has been doing If anything the Bills are in more of a precarious salary cap position because we have already restucutred lots of deals. I don't think Miami has begun that part of there cycle yet. They do every year and have been very year since Ross has taken over and that is all without a long term Contract at the QB spot. 1 minute ago, PatsFanNH said: That would be JETS like for them not to resign Waddle. I say this because Hill has already stated he is retiring when his contract is up. So they would literally in 2 years go from the best WR Dia to not having a top weapon anymore. Thats after the 2026 season. Waddle will need that top end WR contract Next year I bet. that is year 3 of his Rookie Deal. He will hold out ala Wilkins this year. Not gonna wait on Hill to retire to want his bag. 13 minutes ago, warrior9 said: I love Javon Holland's game. He has future Bill written all over him (that would be great) All in all, I agree with this post. I do as well. If he walks out of MIA I would love to slide him in right as a Poyer replacement in the future. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) 7 minutes ago, warrior9 said: The Bills have more than 35 players under contract lol The Bills have 42 under contract. -31 million for 2024 Miami has 39 under contract -39 million for 2024 The Bills have restructred lots of deals, Miami still hasn't started that cycle yet Fail to see a huge difference between our situation and Miami's. Miami has more wiggle room with restructuring. We will need to let players walk and replace Oh I almost forgot the obligatory LoL Edited October 2, 2023 by ddaryl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, ddaryl said: The Bills have 42 under contract. -31 million for 2024 Miami has 39 under contract -39 million for 2024 The Bills have restructred lots of deals, Miami still hasn't started that cycle yet Fail to see a huge difference between our situation and Miami's. Miami has more wiggle room with restructuring. We will need to let players walk and replace Two things. Bills have started restructures, just like Miami. Bills Big Contracts players are still playing at a High level and little risk in kicking that can down the road for them (maybe vice Von we will see soon enough). Miami not so much. Bills have the Bank of Allen, on a long term deal that will continue to be banked for space. Tua Still NEEDS that contract. THERE is your differences Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 51 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: He is on his 5th year next year. A re-signing even with top money lowers his immediate hit. I think Waddle will be gone and not get a second contract Wilkins will walk Williams NEEDS to be re-signed he handles the protections not Tua Waddle I have a big feeling doesnt see a second contract either I feel the opposite. I’d be looking to move on from Tyreek who is 29 and stay with Waddle Will be interesting to see what they do with the cap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapperCam Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, ddaryl said: The Bills have 42 under contract. -31 million for 2024 Miami has 39 under contract -39 million for 2024 The Bills have restructred lots of deals, Miami still hasn't started that cycle yet Fail to see a huge difference between our situation and Miami's. Miami has more wiggle room with restructuring. We will need to let players walk and replace I guess a big difference is that our big money players are actually performing well. Tre White and Von Miller have hurt us some with their injuries in that regard. Knox has slightly underperformed his payday. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, DJB said: I feel the opposite. I’d be looking to move on from Tyreek who is 29 and stay with Waddle Will be interesting to see what they do with the cap That is what they Should do as well. But gonna have to get the cap space somewhere. Already kicked Hills contract once (This year) will likely do it again next year adding 2 void years to take advantage of the 5 year max restructure rule. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 8 minutes ago, ddaryl said: The Bills have 42 under contract. -31 million for 2024 Miami has 39 under contract -39 million for 2024 The Bills have restructred lots of deals, Miami still hasn't started that cycle yet Fail to see a huge difference between our situation and Miami's. Miami has more wiggle room with restructuring. We will need to let players walk and replace Oh I almost forgot the obligatory LoL I'm no capologist but Josh has his big deal and Tua doesn't. Once they sign Tua to his long termer.... That will change the makeup of this debate. As it stands (sans Tua) the bills seem to be in a marginally better cap position, but Tua is the x factor. And he's injury prone so I'm interested to see how it plays out if Tua misses sig time like he has the last 2 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said: I dont know if it's true but it fits. The Ramsey move to me is the biggest head-scratcher. He's lost more than a step. I already know this story, he comes back, looks good, and tears his knee up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Aren't we in one of the worst cap positions in the league going into next year? We're one of 8 teams projected over the cap, and it gets even worse in 2025 as there will only be 2 teams with worse cap space. We have 10 players accounting for 70% of our cap next year, and several of them are 30+ years old, dealing with injuries or both. So I'm not going to judge the Dolphins, as I'm sure both them & us will find some way to get under the cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 You love to see Chubb get paid and go into hibernation while Ed Oliver gets paid and plays like his hair is on fire with napalm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 (edited) Miamis only cap issue more than likely is signing Tua. But when that money needs to kick in they’ll be able to get out of some of these contracts that look bad now. I still view them hovering around having to blow it all up. I view McDaniels offense like Greg Romans. Great scheme. Motion all over. Plays to the offense’s strengths and hides some limitations of the quarterback and offensive line. But the inability to expand the playbook and make adjustments means the better teams will get used to defending it and it becomes less and less effective. McDaniel hasn’t been on the job long enough to say he can’t expand more but their best performances are against the weakest defenses. Very much reminds me of the ravens offense in Lamar’s mvp year. Edited October 2, 2023 by Rc2catch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, warrior9 said: Obviously yesterday's game was dominated by the Bills but Miami is still a very good football team with a ton of talent. They're going to win a lot of games this year and will keep pace with us for the division. They're clearly the closest team to us for the foreseeable future within the division (Rodgers may have a year but that will be short lived) so I went to Spotrac to see what their cap situation looks like for next year ..... and it's not good. Their top 5-6 players are all WAY over paid, uncuttable, and most of them aren't performing (outside of Hill). Hill- 31M - 52 dead cap Jalen Ramsey- 27M - 32.5 Dead Cap- WAAYY past his prime and coming off an injury. Chubb- 27M- 42 Dead cap- Has been an AWFUL trade / signing Xavien Howard- 26M - 27 dead cap - Hasn't been good for years Terron Armstead - 20M - 24 Dead cap - 32 and oft injured Ogbah on the hook for 17 and Jerome Baker for 14. This is without signing Tua yet, without signing Christian (the dirtbag) Wilkins, Waddle, Connor Williams etc. They have had some horrific deals and they clearly need help across the OL, at LB, and Safety. Seems like Grier has strapped this team with bad deals ... LOVE to see it. We are 32 mil over the cap next year. Granted, Diggs and Allen restructures will clean a lot of that up. We do need to re-sign Jackson too. But I think Beane will be able to make it work fairly easily. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I mean the Bills aren't much better than the Phins right now. I am sure the Phins can get some short term relief if they offer Tua a big deal and cut down the 2024 hit. But yeah, the Ramsay contract is a millstone next for a 30 year old CB coming off of injury. Chubb's discount is set to run out next year. Armstead is uncuttable. They have some tough contracts. I'd still rather be them than the Jets in 2025 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: He is on his 5th year next year. A re-signing even with top money lowers his immediate hit. I think Waddle will be gone and not get a second contract Wilkins will walk Williams NEEDS to be re-signed he handles the protections not Tua Waddle I have a big feeling doesnt see a second contract either Letting Waddle go would be a mistake IMO. I think Wilkins is the one you let walk if it comes to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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