Beck Water Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) He just sounds like such a process-oriented, McDermott type guy. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/10/19/raiders-davante-adams-frustrated-by-role-despite-win-over-patriots- Quote “So when I go out there, I expect to be able to have that ability to put that on tape and have an influence on the game. That’s my purpose for being here. I’m not here just to hang out. I came here to win and to do it the right way. So if it don’t look like it’s supposed to look, then I’m going to be frustrated if I’m not part of the plan.” The "right way" apparently being, the "Feed Davante Adams" way. Seriously, this guy sounds as though he makes any petulance displayed by Stefon Diggs a mere petard after eating beans. Edited October 19, 2023 by Beck Water 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Diva and has been looking washed lately 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, SydneyBillsFan said: And the reason it's a pipedream is because we have missed on so many day two picks on cheap contracts. Our salary cap is bloated as a result. Beane needs to nail his day two picks next year (and obviously his first) There's truth in that. Maybe we can make a move for someone. But it would have to be someone with a Rookie deal that would cost minimal Draft Pick compensation. Superstar trade dreams are completely unrealistic. Edited October 19, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 (edited) 45 minutes ago, Beck Water said: He just sounds like such a process-oriented, McDermott type guy. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/10/19/raiders-davante-adams-frustrated-by-role-despite-win-over-patriots- The "right way" apparently being, the "Feed Davante Adams" way. Seriously, this guy sounds as though he makes any petulance displayed by Stefon Diggs a mere petard after eating beans. Adams accepted the trade to LV because he got to play with his best friend Derek Carr. Now Carr is gone and he knows they have no chance of being a major player in the NFL this year. It's no different than when Diggs forced his way out of Minnesota. We have seen the ups and downs of having that type of player on the team but overall I think every Bills fan would agree it's been 90% positive 10% negative. Diggs/Adams would be arguably the best top 2 WR tandem in the NFL. Two bona fide #1s playing across from each other. You bring him in and renegotiate his deal to lessen the 2024 cap hit which honestly was never going to be paid out anyways. Keep kicking that salary cap can down the road until Josh Allen retires like the Saints did with Brees. Edited October 19, 2023 by HappyDays 11 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prospector Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Do it, Do it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 12 minutes ago, Prospector said: Do it, Do it As much as I want this to happen. It won’t. Why? Because this franchise has no clue in what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Another great WR opposite of Diggs is the medicine we need, which is precisely why I’m not expecting it. 1 3 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 Whatever it takes. Our offense would be amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 47 minutes ago, SCBills said: I don't know that he can't evaluate WR talent.. he just hasn't invested enough in it. Yeah - part of why I say Beane can't evaluate WR talent is because he doesn't even try to land great wide receivers. In his six drafts as the Bills GM, the highest draft pick Beane has used on a wide receiver is a 4th rounder, which is absurd: 2018 Ray-Ray McCloud (6th) Austin Proehl (7th) 2019 None 2020 Gabe Davis (4th) Isaiah Hodgins (6th) 2021 Marquez Stevenson (6th) 2022 Khalil Shakir (5th) 2023 Justin Shorter (5th) So I say he can't evaluate WR talent because year in and year out I see wide receivers that would be very valuable to the Bills drafted by other teams and Beane constantly lets them pass by. Notable wide receivers passed on by Beane in the draft (chosen 20 picks or less after the Bills draft pick - (round - position and player chosen instead)): 2018 DJ Moore (1st - LB Edmunds) Calvin Ridley (1st - LB Edmunds) Antonio Callaway (3rd - DT Phillips) 2019 Marquise Brown (1st - DT Oliver) AJ Brown (2nd - OL Ford) Mecole Hardman (2nd - OL Ford) *DK Metcalf (2nd - OL Ford) Terry McLaurin (3rd - RB Singletary) Hunter Renfrow (5th - LB Joseph) 2020 Van Jefferson (2nd - DE Epenesa) Devin Duvernay (3rd - RB Moss) Darnell Mooney (5th - QB Fromm) KJ Osborn (5th - QB Fromm) Donovan Peoples-Jones (5th - QB Fromm) Quez Watkins (6th - K Bass) Jauan Jennings (6th - WR Hodgins) 2021 Elijah Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Rondale Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Josh Palmer (2nd - DE Basham) Amon-Ra St. Brown (3rd - OL Brown) 2022 Christian Watson (1st - CB Elam) Wan'Dale Robinson (1st - CB Elam) David Bell (3rd - LB Bernard) 2023 Jonathan Mingo (1st - TE Kincaid) Marvin Mims (2nd - OL Torrence) Tank Dell (2nd - OL Torrence) Jalin Hyatt (2nd - OL Torrence) Cedric Tillman (2nd - OL Torrence) Josh Downs (2nd - OL Torrence) Michael Wilson (3rd - LB Williams) Tre Tucker (3rd - LB Williams) *chosen 26 picks after Ford 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hermes Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yeah - part of why I say Beane can't evaluate WR talent is because he doesn't even try to land great wide receivers. In his six drafts as the Bills GM, the highest draft pick Beane has used on a wide receiver is a 4th rounder, which is absurd: 2018 Ray-Ray McCloud (6th) Austin Proehl (7th) 2019 None 2020 Gabe Davis (4th) Isaiah Hodgins (6th) 2021 Marquez Stevenson (6th) 2022 Khalil Shakir (5th) 2023 Justin Shorter (5th) So I say he can't evaluate WR talent because year in and year out I see wide receivers that would be very valuable to the Bills drafted by other teams and Beane constantly lets them pass by. Notable wide receivers passed on by Beane in the draft (chosen 20 picks or less after the Bills draft pick - (round - position and player chosen instead)): 2018 DJ Moore (1st - LB Edmunds) Calvin Ridley (1st - LB Edmunds) Antonio Callaway (3rd - DT Phillips) 2019 Marquise Brown (1st - DT Oliver) AJ Brown (2nd - OL Ford) Mecole Hardman (2nd - OL Ford) *DK Metcalf (2nd - OL Ford) Terry McLaurin (3rd - RB Singletary) Hunter Renfrow (5th - LB Joseph) 2020 Van Jefferson (2nd - DE Epenesa) Devin Duvernay (3rd - RB Moss) Darnell Mooney (5th - QB Fromm) KJ Osborn (5th - QB Fromm) Donovan Peoples-Jones (5th - QB Fromm) Quez Watkins (6th - K Bass) Jauan Jennings (6th - WR Hodgins) 2021 Elijah Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Rondale Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Josh Palmer (2nd - DE Basham) Amon-Ra St. Brown (3rd - OL Brown) 2022 Christian Watson (1st - CB Elam) Wan'Dale Robinson (1st - CB Elam) David Bell (3rd - LB Bernard) 2023 Jonathan Mingo (1st - TE Kincaid) Marvin Mims (2nd - OL Torrence) Tank Dell (2nd - OL Torrence) Jalin Hyatt (2nd - OL Torrence) Cedric Tillman (2nd - OL Torrence) Josh Downs (2nd - OL Torrence) Michael Wilson (3rd - LB Williams) Tre Tucker (3rd - LB Williams) *chosen 26 picks after Ford Honestly, that list is generally underwhelming. Out of the 25 or so WRs only a handful, or so, of them would really help out the team now. On top of the fact that not only did Beane pass on these guys but so did (in most cases) every other GM. You're also looking at things in vacuum and not the overall team composition and needs at the time of the drafts. It's easy to look back and say the Bills or any other team should have drafted Brady, Brees, or Wilson (RIP). The hard part is deciding in the moment who will help your team now and in the future 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 4 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: I'd offer our 1st in 2024 and a 3rd in 2025 that becomes a 2nd if we appear in the SB in 24 or 25. Toss in an additional late rounder if need be. We need to make a move like this to give ourselves a real shot at it If you are going to dream then dream big … Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: As much as I want this to happen. It won’t. Why? Because this franchise has no clue in what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Another great WR opposite of Diggs is the medicine we need, which is precisely why I’m not expecting it. If you're so tired of this team, could you freakin' go to sleep already? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Beck Water said: He just sounds like such a process-oriented, McDermott type guy. https://www.si.com/nfl/2023/10/19/raiders-davante-adams-frustrated-by-role-despite-win-over-patriots- The "right way" apparently being, the "Feed Davante Adams" way. Seriously, this guy sounds as though he makes any petulance displayed by Stefon Diggs a mere petard after eating beans. I read that. It's rare you hear a player say we aren't winning right. We need to win with me getting the stats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted October 19, 2023 Share Posted October 19, 2023 6 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: I read that. It's rare you hear a player say we aren't winning right. We need to win with me getting the stats. I know, right? Now, he could have meant it a little differently. Like supposing we'd scraped through the Jags game, then the Giants game....I could see saying "we're not winning the right way". As far as I can tell from clips and box score, nothing stood out as unusual or wrong with those 2 Vegas wins. In that context, it does come across as "wahhhh, Meyers and Mayer got more targets than me!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xwnyer Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Araiza Curse said: As much as I want this to happen. It won’t. Why? Because this franchise has no clue in what it takes to win a Super Bowl. Another great WR opposite of Diggs is the medicine we need, which is precisely why I’m not expecting it. another weapon not utilized by the OC or QB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 14 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I know, right? Now, he could have meant it a little differently. Like supposing we'd scraped through the Jags game, then the Giants game....I could see saying "we're not winning the right way". As far as I can tell from clips and box score, nothing stood out as unusual or wrong with those 2 Vegas wins. In that context, it does come across as "wahhhh, Meyers and Mayer got more targets than me!" Yeah its amazing to me he said it. That's one of those things you keep to yourself lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, aristocrat said: Whatever it takes. Our offense would be amazing Exactly...wish we could've taken some of that Knox money and use it on someone like DA. I'd still rent him in a heartbeat for $6M if it helped us win a SB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 10 hours ago, BaaadThingsMan said: Adams whole family are Raiders fans. He's not leaving LV until he retires. From now on when someone makes some broad declaration like this..........but then gets proven 100% wrong: We gotta' set some kind of standard for unnecessary absolute failure. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yeah - part of why I say Beane can't evaluate WR talent is because he doesn't even try to land great wide receivers. In his six drafts as the Bills GM, the highest draft pick Beane has used on a wide receiver is a 4th rounder, which is absurd: 2018 Ray-Ray McCloud (6th) Austin Proehl (7th) 2019 None 2020 Gabe Davis (4th) Isaiah Hodgins (6th) 2021 Marquez Stevenson (6th) 2022 Khalil Shakir (5th) 2023 Justin Shorter (5th) So I say he can't evaluate WR talent because year in and year out I see wide receivers that would be very valuable to the Bills drafted by other teams and Beane constantly lets them pass by. Notable wide receivers passed on by Beane in the draft (chosen 20 picks or less after the Bills draft pick - (round - position and player chosen instead)): 2019 Marquise Brown (1st - DT Oliver) AJ Brown (2nd - OL Ford) Mecole Hardman (2nd - OL Ford) *DK Metcalf (2nd - OL Ford) Terry McLaurin (3rd - RB Singletary) Hunter Renfrow (5th - LB Joseph) 2019 was THE year, and BBB comes out with ZERO… I thought for sure they were going Brown or DK in the 2nd, it was a huge need, and in the 2024 draft, five years later, it still will be. Meanwhile Ford was literally a disappointment from the moment they called his name. If Beane picks Brown or DK, or even McLaurin, does Buffalo have atleast one Lombardi by now? Hard to think they wouldn’t… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 2 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said: Yeah - part of why I say Beane can't evaluate WR talent is because he doesn't even try to land great wide receivers. In his six drafts as the Bills GM, the highest draft pick Beane has used on a wide receiver is a 4th rounder, which is absurd: 2018 Ray-Ray McCloud (6th) Austin Proehl (7th) 2019 None 2020 Gabe Davis (4th) Isaiah Hodgins (6th) 2021 Marquez Stevenson (6th) 2022 Khalil Shakir (5th) 2023 Justin Shorter (5th) So I say he can't evaluate WR talent because year in and year out I see wide receivers that would be very valuable to the Bills drafted by other teams and Beane constantly lets them pass by. Notable wide receivers passed on by Beane in the draft (chosen 20 picks or less after the Bills draft pick - (round - position and player chosen instead)): 2018 DJ Moore (1st - LB Edmunds) Calvin Ridley (1st - LB Edmunds) Antonio Callaway (3rd - DT Phillips) 2019 Marquise Brown (1st - DT Oliver) AJ Brown (2nd - OL Ford) Mecole Hardman (2nd - OL Ford) *DK Metcalf (2nd - OL Ford) Terry McLaurin (3rd - RB Singletary) Hunter Renfrow (5th - LB Joseph) 2020 Van Jefferson (2nd - DE Epenesa) Devin Duvernay (3rd - RB Moss) Darnell Mooney (5th - QB Fromm) KJ Osborn (5th - QB Fromm) Donovan Peoples-Jones (5th - QB Fromm) Quez Watkins (6th - K Bass) Jauan Jennings (6th - WR Hodgins) 2021 Elijah Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Rondale Moore (1st - DE Rousseau) Josh Palmer (2nd - DE Basham) Amon-Ra St. Brown (3rd - OL Brown) 2022 Christian Watson (1st - CB Elam) Wan'Dale Robinson (1st - CB Elam) David Bell (3rd - LB Bernard) 2023 Jonathan Mingo (1st - TE Kincaid) Marvin Mims (2nd - OL Torrence) Tank Dell (2nd - OL Torrence) Jalin Hyatt (2nd - OL Torrence) Cedric Tillman (2nd - OL Torrence) Josh Downs (2nd - OL Torrence) Michael Wilson (3rd - LB Williams) Tre Tucker (3rd - LB Williams) *chosen 26 picks after Ford There are SEVERAL names on this list that are suspect at best, and why do you have any names from this past draft? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted October 20, 2023 Share Posted October 20, 2023 1 hour ago, Xwnyer said: another weapon not utilized by the OC or QB Then we know where the problem lies. If we managed to get Adams or someone similar and the offense is still having problems. Then we know that Allen is overrated or the OC needs fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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