Bills/Commanders Postgame Thread

[BearNorth]

Just noticed that pending tonight's games, James Cook is #2 in the NFL, #1 in the AFC in rushing.  Averaging 89 yards per game. Swift from the Iggles could pass him with a 90+ yard game.

 

[nucci]

29 minutes ago, BearNorth said:

Just noticed that pending tonight's games, James Cook is #2 in the NFL, #1 in the AFC in rushing.  Averaging 89 yards per game. Swift from the Iggles could pass him with a 90+ yard game.

 

upgrades at G position are making a huge difference

[NewEra]

39 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

The offensive game plan/calling in my opinion wasn’t good and I was critical during the game day threads

 

To your point, not enough Kincaid.

 

Way too many 2nd and long runs.

 

And that 4th and inches pass.

 

But really, just hours after a 37-3 win we are going to complain?

 

So ya, they are legit points. But given the circumstances after a blow out win, it’s “mind boggling” to me that’s what some people are “most” focused on

Idk…. I’m discussing the good and the bad.  What I liked and what I disliked.
 

 I loved pretty much everything about the defense.  The DL was unstoppable.  The LBs were everywhere.  The DBs took advantage our DLs dominance.  I loved the pass blocking.  Josh and Diggs played great.  

 

I didn’t like kincaids usage (especially compared to Harty).  I question Dorsey’s ability to use either of those guys atm.   I didn’t like a handful of Dorsey’s calls.  I didn’t think the OL was getting much movement in the run game in the first half.  2 offensive TDs to 3 FGs- should the the other way around

 

If you’ve been on this board awhile you should know that the people that are focusing “most” on the bad, do the same thing every week…… it’s who they are.  Common knowledge and expected imo. 

[SoTier]

11 hours ago, Scott7975 said:

 

 

He's in good company.  Only Brian Urlacher and James Harrison have achieved what Bernard did today.  Pretty impressive.

 

11 hours ago, balln said:

Am I happy they stomped wash. Of course

 

for the most part they looked great

 

but this herky jerky offense. And all the things I have outlined have permeated far too many games over the last 2 seasons- For me to Cheerlead this. It’s Super Bowl or bust fellas

 

gabe Davis can’t be our #2 targets player. He CAnT. We don’t have that WR. Fine. Has to be Kincaid TE and rbs - cook looks nasty. I don’t think they’re using him in passing game well enough. He needs the ball QUICK on the run in stride. Not last second dumpoffs

 

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the offense was "herky jerky" was because the Commanders defense aren't pushovers?   They have a good defense lead by their very stout DL with Chase Young and friends.

 

 

10 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:

Just really bugs me when a professional OC for an NFL team didn’t have the common sense of a 12 year old playing Madden. 

 

Yes, Madden is certainly is the standard measure of reality.   Maybe when you finish with middle school you'll realize that.

 

 

 

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, NewEra said:

Idk…. I’m discussing the good and the bad.  What I liked and what I disliked.
 

 I loved pretty much everything about the defense.  The DL was unstoppable.  The LBs were everywhere.  The DBs took advantage our DLs dominance.  I loved the pass blocking.  Josh and Diggs played great.  

 

I didn’t like kincaids usage (especially compared to Harty).  I question Dorsey’s ability to use either of those guys atm.   I didn’t like a handful of Dorsey’s calls.  I didn’t think the OL was getting much movement in the run game in the first half.  2 offensive TDs to 3 FGs- should the the other way around

 

If you’ve been on this board awhile you should know that the people that are focusing “most” on the bad, do the same thing every week…… it’s who they are.  Common knowledge and expected imo. 

That’s fair and I’m not saying that’s you as you always bring good insights 

 

Your points are definitely reasonable with the offence as there are concerns.

 

I was more saying for the ones that “just” hammer home the negatives after a 37-3

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Since1981 said:

Doesn’t this heavily skew your input to team strategy discussion on this board?   It’s interesting that fandom in places has in 2023 morphed some tone into fantasy/bet/$$ mindset but we here don’t always know the motives. 

Sure it may.  This is the post game thread
 

are you happy with Kincaid getting 2 targets on the first series and then zero the rest of the game, while Harty is touching the ball 5 times within the offense?  Do you think that’s good strategy?

 

and I was one of the guys that really liked the Harty addition. 
 

Kincaid deserves more targets…..and not only on 1 yard passes and screens.

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

That’s fair and I’m not saying that’s you as you always bring good insights 

 

Your points are definitely reasonable with the offence as there are concerns.

 

I was more saying for the ones that “just” hammer home the negatives after a 37-3

Yeah I hear ya. I’m usually battling with you on this one…..I just don’t find it mind boggling anymore.  I just expect it

[Ralonzo]

12 hours ago, AlfaBill said:

Perhaps but the refs were definitely one sided today. They stunk 

 

"One-sided" is the best way to put it. The most aggravating sort, where they'll allow flagrant stuff for one side (LB accosting Knox all the downfield with illegal contact) and call a ticky-tack the other way (the illegal contact on third down). The massive, obvious holding being let slide (i.e. huge one on Phillips in the red zone) while making the weird "tripping without using your leg" - never seen that before. And I still don't know how that McLaurin fumble was complete with forward progress, that was another huge outlier of a call which like almost all of them fell the way of the home team. In a fair game they might have run them out like Miami did to Denver.

[SoTier]

10 hours ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Absolutely the outcome is most important , but making mistakes a high school coach shouldn’t make is not acceptable at this level. You accept and are happy with a poor performance as long as they win, I expect improvement and learning from his mistakes, I also know he doesn’t get this slack next week against Miami, or against KC, Dallas, etc…

 

Maybe you should watch more NFL games rather than concentrating on high school contests.   In the Steelers win over the Raiders, Garappollo hit Davante Adams for a long TD on a 3 or 4th and less than a yard.

 

10 hours ago, Airseven said:

Howell is a scrub.

 

He's played all of 4 NFL games, Nostradamus.

[Ralonzo]

16 minutes ago, SoTier said:

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the offense was "herky jerky" was because the Commanders defense aren't pushovers?   They have a good defense lead by their very stout DL with Chase Young and friends.

 

The Comanches games I've seen this year, the effectiveness of their D line has been led mainly by the excellent tackles Jonathan Allen (7.5 sacks last year) and Daron Payne (11.5 sack last year) disrupting the interior. There probably isn't a better pair in the league. I don't recall them flashing at all and barely heard their names. Young and Sweat had a moment or two but the drivers of that defense got nothing at all, totally dominated by the Bills guards which was the Aaron Rodgers Heel (too soon?) of the Bills offense last year. This... this is what's new this year that has been missing for a while for Buffalo. This might just be an upper-third OL in the league which it hasn't been close to that in the Allen era.

 

This might be the game to review the tape play-by-play just watching the OL.

[Franco_92]

33 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

He's in good company.  Only Brian Urlacher and James Harrison have achieved what Bernard did today.  Pretty impressive.

 

 

Did it ever occur to you that the reason the offense was "herky jerky" was because the Commanders defense aren't pushovers?   They have a good defense lead by their very stout DL with Chase Young and friends.

 

 

 

Yes, Madden is certainly is the standard measure of reality.   Maybe when you finish with middle school you'll realize that.

 

 

 

Chase young is actually the worst of the 4 DL they start

[BillsUberAlles]

Terrel Bernard was the best player on the field on either side of the ball yesterday.

 

I am not sure I could have ever imagined myself saying that, and I don't think we ever said that in all the years Tremaine Edmunds was here.

 

Bernard had an INT, 2 sacks, 2 TFLs, another TFL that was nullified by a defensive penalty, led the team in tackles and was pretty much everywhere yesterday.

 

I am honestly stunned that we may have another Milano playing next to Milano.

 

 

[Franco_92]

I would prefer a QB sneak on the 4th down as well but when you get Diggs matched up on a linebacker it's not the craziest thing in the world to throw that way. 9/10 times the pass isn't knocked down. Torrence has been great but that's one of the nuances he still has to fine-tune, locking up the defenders arms

[finn]

9 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

The guy is an absolute revelation 

But he's small and slow!

[Beck Water]

16 hours ago, Playoffs? said:

If I need to be nitpicky, I didn’t love his 4th and 1 pass play.  Just push the pile. Get 1 yard. 

 

Same. 

26 minutes ago, BillsUberAlles said:

Terrel Bernard was the best player on the field on either side of the ball yesterday.

 

I am not sure I could have ever imagined myself saying that, and I don't think we ever said that in all the years Tremaine Edmunds was here.

 

Bernard had an INT, 2 sacks, 2 TFLs, another TFL that was nullified by a defensive penalty, led the team in tackles and was pretty much everywhere yesterday.

 

I am honestly stunned that we may have another Milano playing next to Milano.

 

 

 

Same.

 

I  had the impression Bieniemy had a clever plan to use his knowledge of Milano's role and our defense, to send the play somewhere else and pick on the new guy.

 

New Guy showed up.

[DrDawkinstein]

47 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Maybe you should watch more NFL games rather than concentrating on high school contests.   In the Steelers win over the Raiders, Garappollo hit Davante Adams for a long TD on a 3 or 4th and less than a yard.

 

 

We should ABSOLUTELY NOT be taking tips from the Raiders. That was an act of desperation by a loser team.

 

Truly dominant, winning teams dont need to do that stuff. Just line up and gain the 2 feet we need.

[TheWei44]

31 minutes ago, BillsUberAlles said:

Terrel Bernard was the best player on the field on either side of the ball yesterday.

 

I am not sure I could have ever imagined myself saying that, and I don't think we ever said that in all the years Tremaine Edmunds was here.

 

Bernard had an INT, 2 sacks, 2 TFLs, another TFL that was nullified by a defensive penalty, led the team in tackles and was pretty much everywhere yesterday.

 

I am honestly stunned that we may have another Milano playing next to Milano.

 

 

I said yesterday it's like having two Milano's - Never would have expected that!

[BearNorth]

31 minutes ago, TheWei44 said:

I said yesterday it's like having two Milano's - Never would have expected that!

This week will probably be the proof of this train of thought.  Fish are currently the top running team @ 6.1 ypc, Suspect this is because teams are selling out to stop the passing game.  Only team in the league with 2 backs over 200 yards this season, and their top 3 backs [Mostert, Achane, Brooks] have all broken runs of 40 or more yards. Mostert, & Achane, run sub 4.4, and Brooks is a Murray type [232#] thumper.

[Bruffalo]

Good win but I think Dorsey is keeping the offense from firing on a level that they theoretically can reach.  Some of the playcalls were baffling, first down was rough, and I still don't see the motion, the play action, or much creativity.  Allen & Diggs are still the offense, and Cook is doing well but I think we're in the same position as we were in last season (with a better offensive line).    

[starrymessenger]

I expected a closer game than the one we wound up with but the turnovers really did the Commanders in and I've got to lay that at Howell's feet. Made very poor decisions in the passing game and seems to hold on to the ball too long while reading the field. Mind you I'm not sure he was helped by EB's calling so many passing plays especially given that Wash has a good run game. Even then the score wasn't that far out of reach heading into the 4th quarter (16 points).
This was only Howell's fourth NFL start so it's perhaps not surprising that he looked a bit like "bad" Josh at times. Also the Bills are a good veteran team and WC is in the middle of a youth movement. I think they have a chance of sneaking into the post season.

[Process]

1 hour ago, arcane said:

I would prefer a QB sneak on the 4th down as well but when you get Diggs matched up on a linebacker it's not the craziest thing in the world to throw that way. 9/10 times the pass isn't knocked down. Torrence has been great but that's one of the nuances he still has to fine-tune, locking up the defenders arms

Lining up in shotgun on 4th and 6 inches should happen 0.000000% of the time