Do the Bills need a " Quarterback Whisperer?"

[Bferra13]

1 hour ago, DeltaDigital said:

had one. his name was brian daboll. should have shown clapdick the door, and promoted dabs. 

 

Everytime I hear the word "dabs" I throw up a bit in my throat. 

 

He might available after this year though if he sinks the ship with Daniel Jones at the helm.

[goldenboy81]

5 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

You do realize that one reason Josh and other players (Davis, Mitch Morse, Knox) wanted Dorsey IN the booth is that they felt he got too emotional on the sideline?  Mitch Morse referred to it as "The Holy Spirit comes out of him".

 

When Dorsey was the QB coach and not responsible for decoding the defense and calling plays, evidently he managed to rein that in, but no promises he'd do better on the 

I meant more dorsey might wanna before he's shown the door

[bills11]

Allen has regressed since the " covid lockdown year" it's a combination of mental and physical...the lack of crowds meant psychologically he was able to zone out and play within structure without the " yips" he struggles with when he gets hyped up..

 

and daboll wud get on him I don't see anyone holding him accountable now other than diggs and that's not good for the team . 

 

Dorsey isn't a good o.c but Josh continually bypasses checkdowbs and underneath routes to go for homerun balls similar to late career Favre.

Edited September 12, 2023 by bills11

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, bills11 said:

Allen has regressed since the " covid lockdown year" it's a combination of mental and physical...the lack of crowds meant psychologically he was able to zone out and play within structure without the " yips" he struggles with when he gets hyped up..

 

and daboll wud get on him I don't see anyone holding him accountable now other than diggs and that's not good for the team . 

 

Dorsey isn't a good o.c but Josh continually bypasses checkdowbs and underneath routes to go for homerun balls similar to late career Favre.

 

First of all, I don't think you know what "yips" are.  You're not using that word correctly.

 

Second, holding a player accountable should not be "performance art" for the fans and casual bystanders.  That's why, after one game where Daboll was seen screaming at Josh on the sideline, he was sent up to the booth.

[Airseven]

Allen finding success/consistency in empty stadiums is an underrated point in all this. I hadn’t factored that in before. 

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

This is just ridiculous with Allen at this point. 

 

He's in his 6th year. 

 

This feels like Trent Edwards again where we're constantly concerned about his mindset. 

Constantly? Come on. When we were 13-3 you were constantly fretting?

 

there’s something up but…

[Aimee75]

I think we have a perfect candidate right here.

[Not at the table Karlos]

I want to say we had a sports psychologist for the team his 2nd year until last year or the year before. 

[Pirate Angel]

Im sure there is someone on that sideline that has mentioned to Josh to 1) throw it away 2) throw it in the dirt at your receivers' feet 3) take a sac, punt and put your defense in the best position possible. Im at least confident he should have figured out by now not to force it or just heave it up there when your not sure, in a close game vs a good D like the Jets you have to be smarter. 

[uticaclub]

Hiring Harbaugh is a must at this point

[Shaw66]

52 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I believe the Bills do have a sports psychologist on staff.

 

Mental acuity isn't the question.

 

Jordan Palmer has said so in a recent interview on OBL.  He also said he works with Josh and others on Mon/Tues during the season, reviewing film for lapses in technique.

Thanks.  I don't think it's a Palmer problem.  I think Josh can look at film and see things.

 

It's developing the right thinking habits. Being emotionally prepared for the game (I don't think he was last night.  He had the deer in the deadliest look.)  And it's having the right habits when he's looking and processing pre- and post-snap.  Last night I noticed when they showed him looking g at the defense pre-snap, his facial expression made me think he was trying to figure out what he was seeing.  It should be automatic.  It should be quick, orderly.  It should be a habit.

 

That's brain training. 

[Aussie Joe]

1 hour ago, Returntoglory said:

Fitz has the mental acuity to do the job. 

Fitz might have better things to do 

[Shaw66]

4 minutes ago, Pirate Angel said:

Im sure there is someone on that sideline that has mentioned to Josh to 1) throw it away 2) throw it in the dirt at your receivers' feet 3) take a sac, punt and put your defense in the best position possible. Im at least confident he should have figured out by now not to force it or just heave it up there when your not sure, in a close game vs a good D like the Jets you have to be smarter. 

You see, I think sitting on the sideline and just talking, Josh can tell you all of that.  He knows it.  The problem is when faced with those decisions under fire, his brain reverts to old habits.  His brain needs to be trained to recognize the situation and to do the right thing.  It isn't enough just know it.  

 

It's the same thing as hitters trying to lay off the high fastball.  It isn't enough to know you shouldn't; checking the swing has to become a habit. 

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

Fitz might have better things to do 

Like drinking beer and getting paid a lot for making silly commercials.

[SCBills]

 

[PBF81]

Age 27, sixth season in the league, presumably this talk happened at some point well before now.  

 

If not, then coaching has to be quite seriously questioned.  

 

 

[JaCrispy]

Just now, ScottLaw said:

He’s right. He looked completely unprepared.

Too busy making hype videos…

[loyal2dagame]

Ouch. Orlovsky launching heat seekers. 🔥 

[Jerome007]

Nope. Josh needs to have FUN to perform at his best. There's no "growing up" in ball security. Just part of playing football. Taking the fun out of his playing would hurt, not help. 

[SCBills]

I don’t know that I’ve ever seen so much, almost universal, annoyance/frustration at a player before.  
 

It’s as if the entire football world knows how great Josh Allen can be and are completely disgusted that he won’t grow up and stop with the bs. 
 

 

Edited September 12, 2023 by SCBills

[UKBillFan]

Just now, PBF81 said:

Age 27, sixth season in the league, presumably this talk happened at some point well before now.  

 

If not, then coaching has to be quite seriously questioned.  

 

 

 

It's difficult because what can you say to him? You're going to bench him? Trade him? Fine him? Possibly the latter. The other two options aren't truly there at the moment.

 

Yesterday does feel like a watershed moment. During previous games where he struggled, there have been excuses - particularly a poor O Line and dropped catches. Last night  the O Line was ok and, as far as I can recall, no one dropped a catch. This is the first game where there is no mitigation. It is ALL on him. Where does he go from here? Does he bounce back or completely fall apart? Five days to find out.