Oh and How About Bernard

[JohnNord]

He played a better individual game than Josh Allen 

[SectionC3]

5 hours ago, NoSaint said:

I’d run my offense at him too. 
 

that said, I’m real curious what the tape will say on poyer

I'm going to guess slow and washed.  

[bmur66]

How about Ed Oliver on his back?

[Pirate Angel]

 

Just now, Pirate Angel said:

 

pretty good breakdown of his game 

[Mr. Wonderful]

Strong safety playing MLB. LOL.   He's going to get pushed around like a rag doll.  

[HappyDays]

All I want from the MLB position this year is replacement level play. I saw that from Bernard. Dodson looked completely lost in preseason. Bernard sure looks small but at least he knows what he's doing out there.

[Beck Water]

On 9/11/2023 at 11:21 PM, gobills404 said:

Mods might as well just make a designated thread for every player on the team at this point

 

Nah.  We like our whipping boys here at TBD.  That doesn’t work if you spread the blame roster-wide

[SydneyBillsFan]

Beanes track record for day two picks doesn't make for great reading.

[AuntieEm]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:19 AM, FireChans said:

I thought Bernard played better than I thought he would. Had some rough spots, particularly in the run game, but I actually feel better about him at MLB

Copycat

Maybe he's a doppleganger. Better be careful, if anyone says they saw you where you weren't it may be he's stalking you to take your place. 

[Chandler#81]

Actually, he played pretty well when he didn’t get swallowed up by huge OL. They’ll figure out how he best can avoid this and let him roam. Way too early to diss him and McBeane for him becoming a Bill.

 

We could really benefit from a kindergarten classification here.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Actually, he played pretty well when he didn’t get swallowed up by huge OL. They’ll figure out how he best can avoid this and let him roam. Way too early to diss him and McBeane for him becoming a Bill.

 

We could really benefit from a kindergarten classification here.

Too early to dismiss but not too early to be very worried. He is the smallest MLB in the league.  He was moslty terrible and late to makingp lays, but he did make a couple tackles near the LOS. I praised that during the game.

It just looks like he is going to have to guess a lot or have incredible instincts to avoid getting blocked out of the play. He doesn't have the size to take on even average tight ends let alone o-line. Now Edmunds had zero instincts so any improvement there would be welcome. 

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[Dopey]

I created a Josh Allen excuse thread already. You can keep looking for other reasons/excuses,but Josh is why we lost.  

[Conlan58]

I truly don't get everyone ragging on Bernards size... he is literally listed as 1 inch taller and 1 pound heavier than Milano... 

 

Yes he got caught up in traffic and even swallowed up at times, but I saw more downhill play from him in one game than Edmunds ever did in a game. 

Edited September 13, 2023 by Conlan58

[AlCowlingsTaxiService]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:20 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

He lead our team in tackles with 11.

Guys will make plenty of tackles when the offense determines that they can run right at your weak link. He’s another tweener and I’m pretty sure the raiders are going to run JJ right at him. My guess is he’s a placeholder until they feel Kirksey is ready. 

On 9/12/2023 at 6:31 AM, bmur66 said:

How about Ed Oliver on his back?

Little Eddie will flash every six weeks, only to disappear the rest of the time

[Ethan in Cleveland]

9 minutes ago, Conlan58 said:

I truly don't get everyone ragging on Bernards size... he is literally listed as 1 inch taller and 1 pound heavier than Milano... 

 

Yes he got caught up in traffic and even swallowed up at times, but I saw more downhill play from him in one game than Edmunds ever did in a game. 

Well first of all he plays middle line backer not outside. And second just look at them. Milano has NFL arms and Bernard does not. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:29 AM, ngbills said:

His tape is gonna be really bad. I tried watching him early and he was getting straight plowed onto his back.  It was not good. He is too small and he is not fast enough either. Just don’t get it.  

Incorrect. From guys who actually watched and studied the All-22, Bernard surprised them. Instinctive and good in zone coverage. Struggled playing off blockers but he’s 220. Milano struggles with that as well. “Encouraged” is the word used to describe him from what I’ve heard. 
 

Bills want pass coverage LBers, Bernard fits the role well. 

[PBF81]

On 9/12/2023 at 12:20 AM, Royale with Cheese said:

He lead our team in tackles with 11.

 

Did you go through the pbp to see where those tables were?

 

Most of the short stops were his comb tackles, where frankly, of you review the game, you'll not that he was secondary on.

 

Also, MLBs are all but categorically the top tacklers in the league.  But I liked his play to that is DB tackles.  When a CB leadsca team in tackles, it's typically not a good sign for what would be obvious reasons.  TB's tackles were more of that nature.  

 

 

Edited September 13, 2023 by PBF81

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

Did you go through the pbp to see where those tables were?

 

Most of the short stops were his comb tackles, where frankly, of you review the game, you'll not that he was secondary on.

 

 

 

His average stop was 1 yard.

[PBF81]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

His average stop was 1 yard.

 

I just went through all 11.  77 total yards.  Lazard's 24 yard catch alone, who was his man, his botch, was 24.

 

Anyway, that's 7 yards per.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

He played better than expected and better than either Dodson or Klein in pre-season. The worst element of his game was actually getting the D lined up properly. Multiple times in the first half they were misaligned. But they were better 2nd half in that regard. 

 

I don't want to say he was good, that would be a stretch too far. But he wasn't a liability. If we can say that about the MLB 17 times this season I'd take it. 

[starrymessenger]

Josh Jacobs gonna truck him I fear.

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

I just went through all 11.  77 total yards.  Lazard's 24 yard catch alone, who was his man, his botch, was 24.

 

Anyway, that's 7 yards per.  

 

 

 

I don't believe that's how its calculated.  

 

[Mynamemike]

On 9/12/2023 at 6:23 AM, JohnNord said:

He played a better individual game than Josh Allen 

With the way Josh played that’s like being the smartest kid on the short bus.  It’s not something to brag about but he did better than I thought he would.  The defense wasn’t the problem on Monday that’s for sure.  

Edited September 13, 2023 by Mynamemike

[Freddie's Dead]

9 hours ago, Pirate Angel said:

 

pretty good breakdown of his game 

 

Hey haterz, watch this clip to see how hard Bernard sucked.  Spoiler alert:  he didn't suck.

[PBF81]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I don't believe that's how its calculated.  

 

 

I don't care how it's calculated, those are the facts.  

 

I'd be happy to go thru play by play.  From what I've seen, which is extensive, he's good on pass plays in coverage, not so much in pass-rush, but sucks v. the run.  Which is what we already knew about him.  

 

He'll be a liability on running plays all season.  

 

 

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Hey haterz, watch this clip to see how hard Bernard sucked.  Spoiler alert:  he didn't suck.

 

I would like to watch it.... but man Erik is so irritating. I'll give it a go and see how long I can stick it. 

[McBean]

On 9/11/2023 at 11:18 PM, Fetou said:

Don't take for granted that we have Ed Oliver though. You can overlook these holes and compensate for them when you have a world beating top end talent like Oliver as a priority in your championship roster building strategy.

The most bizarre horrible signing in a long time right here.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

Just now, McBean said:

The most bizarre horrible signing in a long time right here.

 

I mean that is just wrong. And Ed was dominant 2nd half on Monday. 

[Royale with Cheese]

1 minute ago, PBF81 said:

 

I don't care how it's calculated, those are the facts.  

 

I'd be happy to go thru play by play.  From what I've seen, which is extensive, he's good on pass plays in coverage, not so much in pass-rush, but sucks v. the run.  Which is what we already knew about him.  

 

He'll be a liability on running plays all season.  

 

 

 

You are coming up with your own way of calculating something and then labeling it as a fact?  

 

I trust people who actually understand the game and knows what they are looking at.  That's not you, no offense, it's not me either. 

 

Bernard wasn't great, but was okay.

1 minute ago, McBean said:

The most bizarre horrible signing in a long time right here.

 

 

 Nope.

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, McBean said:

The most bizarre horrible signing in a long time right here.

 

 

He graded as the 6th best player via PFF. Knock it off.

[GunnerBill]

14 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

He graded as the 6th best player via PFF. Knock it off.

 

The Ed Oliver hate brigade aren't swayed by things like reality. 

[Royale with Cheese]

2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

The Ed Oliver hate brigade aren't swayed by things like reality. 

 

I focused on Oliver all night.  At the snap, I wanted to see what he was doing.  I guess it's because I was a little hard on him in the prior years, he signed his big extension and I guess I want to see if he's going to earn it.

 

I did like what I saw from Oliver MNF.  

 

I really can see us being dominant when Von gets back, Rosseau can slide inside on passing downs and Floyd is the other edge guy.  

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You are coming up with your own way of calculating something and then labeling it as a fact?  

 

I trust people who actually understand the game and knows what they are looking at.  That's not you, no offense, it's not me either. 

 

 

I think their difference is Erik is only counting run plays. 

1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I focused on Oliver all night.  At the snap, I wanted to see what he was doing.  I guess it's because I was a little hard on him in the prior years, he signed his big extension and I guess I want to see if he's going to earn it.

 

I did like what I saw from Oliver MNF.  

 

I really can see us being dominant when Von gets back, Rosseau can slide inside on passing downs and Floyd is the other edge guy.  

 

Yea I thought he was quieter first half but second half he was excellent. No coincidence their TD drive came the one drive they had the entire backup line in. 

[Ralonzo]

On 9/12/2023 at 6:23 AM, JohnNord said:

He played a better individual game than Josh Allen 

 

So did I.

[Low Positive]

39 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would like to watch it.... but man Erik is so irritating. I'll give it a go and see how long I can stick it. 

You just can't take that thick WNY accent. I'm from there, and it always takes me a minute to adjust when I listen to WGR callers. That being said, I can lapse right back into it just by saying the phrase. "Yous guys gonna go to Wegman's in Cheektowaga?' Flaten out those "As" in Cheektowaga and you've got it.

 

Just so I don't derail the thread, I thought Bernard played well. He will not be the primary reason that we don't win a SB this year. And he'll only get better with playing time, although his size will be a liability against bigger RBs. On that Lazard pass, the WR found a gap in the zone and Wilson hit him. I really do wish that we played man coverage sometimes but that's a topic for another discussion.

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Too early to dismiss but not too early to be very worried. He is the smallest MLB in the league.  He was moslty terrible and late to makingp lays, but he did make a couple tackles near the LOS. I praised that during the game.

It just looks like he is going to have to guess a lot or have incredible instincts to avoid getting blocked out of the play. He doesn't have the size to take on even average tight ends let alone o-line. Now Edmunds had zero instincts so any improvement there would be welcome. 

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Becoming very worried is a personal decision. I don’t share yours.

[ngbills]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Incorrect. From guys who actually watched and studied the All-22, Bernard surprised them. Instinctive and good in zone coverage. Struggled playing off blockers but he’s 220. Milano struggles with that as well. “Encouraged” is the word used to describe him from what I’ve heard. 
 

Bills want pass coverage LBers, Bernard fits the role well. 

They are not gonna say yeah he sucked. If he remains out mlb you can expect multiple 50 yard runs per game as we saw. He will either shoot the wrong gap to avoid getting pancakes or get pancake and off to the races. Unless we bring up safety help for him and then our pass coverage will suffer. 

[PBF81]

41 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

You are coming up with your own way of calculating something and then labeling it as a fact?  

 

I trust people who actually understand the game and knows what they are looking at.  That's not you, no offense, it's not me either. 

 

Bernard wasn't great, but was okay.

 Nope.

 

Again, he was just fine in pass coverage.  Nothing to be concerned about there whatsoever.  

 

He was not good in most other aspects.  He was blown up on most run plays, made zero impact at the LOS, and made no solo tackles on RBs.  In fact, I distinctly commented to one friend during the game that on one running play he looked like a log in the middle of a tsunami.  

He was involved in, secondarily, not primariy, three comb tackles on running plays by RBs that netted an average of 5 yards, 15 yards total.  The primary tacklers on those plays were White, Oliver, and Jones.  He was involved in a few at the end of the game while the Jets were merely posturing for FG positioning, which I did not count for what should be obvious reasons.  

 

He made one solo tackle on Zach Wilson on a scramble that gained 6 yards, and was in on another with Lawson as the primary on a Wilson 2-yard sneak on 4th-and-1 and Bernard with contact only well after Wilson had already crossed the 1D mark.  

 

All other tackles were on pass plays.  

 

Make whatever you want of it.  We're clearly not going to agree, so no sense in contining this exchange.   

 

 

[34-78-83]

Gotta love the Nancy's disputing and doubting on factual video evidence and qualified professional analysis...

 

What a sad clown show (or is that an insane clown posse?) of entertainment we have here some times!

[Royale with Cheese]

5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

Again, he was just fine in pass coverage.  Nothing to be concerned about there whatsoever.  

 

He was not good in most other aspects.  He was blown up on most run plays, made zero impact at the LOS, and made no solo tackles on RBs.  In fact, I distinctly commented to one friend during the game that on one running play he looked like a log in the middle of a tsunami.  

He was involved in, secondarily, not primariy, three comb tackles on running plays by RBs that netted an average of 5 yards, 15 yards total.  The primary tacklers on those plays were White, Oliver, and Jones.  He was involved in a few at the end of the game while the Jets were merely posturing for FG positioning, which I did not count for what should be obvious reasons.  

 

He made one solo tackle on Zach Wilson on a scramble that gained 6 yards, and was in on another with Lawson as the primary on a Wilson 2-yard sneak on 4th-and-1 and Bernard with contact only well after Wilson had already crossed the 1D mark.  

 

All other tackles were on pass plays.  

 

Make whatever you want of it.  We're clearly not going to agree, so no sense in contining this exchange.   

 

 

 

Okay.  We will disagree.

 

I will be in favor of the opinion on people who know how to look at film.