Lost Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just imagine how we would be evaluating Beane's draft history if they had taken WRONG Josh in 2018. It would change the perspective of everything. Beane may not even be GM here in that case, nor McD HC still. We probably woulda had 2 more top 10 picks in the last few years though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Just now, Lost said: Just imagine how we would be evaluating Beane's draft history if they had taken WRONG Josh in 2018. It would change the perspective of everything. Beane may not even be GM here in that case, nor McD HC still. We probably woulda had 2 more top 10 picks in the last few years though. Without Allen he would probably be out of a job. How many GMs can survive giving up that much for a QB and have him fail? Will be interesting to see what happens with Lynch over the next couple years. If Purdy fails he is screwed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: What is the criteria this is based on? Does it really matter? Those who love to bash Beane for his drafting (Hi @Ethan in Cleveland) will say the criteria is b.s., and those who value Beane will say the criteria is spot-on. The bottom line is that Beane is an overall top 5-10 GM in this league (at worst), and anyone who thinks he is holding the Bills back is an idiot. 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 20 hours ago, FilthyBeast said: The issue still remains though that if you subtract JA17 from the equation, both Beane and McD are no different that every other failed GM/HC that's come through Buffalo since 2000 and that's what a lot of Bills mafia doesn't seem to understand or want to acknowledge. Haha I love these statements-“well if you take away all of the good picks that were made, you see there were bad picks” You can literally do that with any good player still on the team that drafted them 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: Haha I love these statements-“well if you take away all of the good picks that were made, you see there were bad picks” You can literally do that with any good player still on the team that drafted them I wouldn’t go that far. Think of it this way, without Josh this team has Tyrod Taylor at QB and not much of anything else. It’s four years ago all over again…but we did back into the playoffs and end the drought. Edited August 31, 2023 by SoCal Deek Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: I wouldn’t go that far. Think of it this way, without Josh this team has Tyrod Taylor at QB and not much of anything else. It’s four years ago all over again…but we did back into the playoffs and end the drought. I just think the original point is a bit disingenuine. Sure you can say that about Josh, but the same can be said about KC and Mahomes, Jacksonville and Lawrence, Chargers and Herbert, etc. if these teams didn’t pick a top QB they would all be struggling as well 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Not a Taron Johnson fan? Gabe Davis was pretty good value in round 4 too. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said: I just think the original point is a bit disingenuine. Sure you can say that about Josh, but the same can be said about KC and Mahomes, Jacksonville and Lawrence, Chargers and Herbert, etc. if these teams didn’t pick a top QB they would all be struggling as well That’s true as well….so we agree. It’s pretty much get the QB right and you’re a contender. But, you need to get a bunch of other guys right to be champion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Most is an accurate statement. However 9% make All-Pro status and about 35% start all the games they are eligible for. These are general stats I saw from a few sites. So teams routinely find players that start lots of games and they find the superstar from time to time. So Beane has done a decent job getting reliable if not great starters. Could be a lot worse but could be a lot better too. I still think Knox can be a star if given the volume. Intrigued about Williams taken this year. I hope he gets some playing time. But it's still the majority that do not start. But yes, he's gotten good starters but does lack the elite....I can agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uninja Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 21 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: There’s a reason we’re a top 5 team consistently. We have great overall team depth and an elite QB/WR combo. Beane hasn’t drafted an impact player other than Allen. Allen being a QB cancels out a lot of problems. A lot of average. But a lot of average with elite QB creates a good team. Bolded for emphasis, that’s literally the Brady blueprint. We just need to get the line play on offense sorted out and this team should be consistently good until Allen gets old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mannc Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 (edited) I know it wasn’t Beane’s work (allegedly) but the Bills 2017 draft was pretty elite, if you can forgive handing Pat Mahomes to KC…six picks, three pro bowlers and all six still in the league, although Peterman and Vallejo are hanging on by their fingernails. And we acquired a 2018 pick later used to trade up for Josh Allen and/or Tremaine Edmunds. Edited August 31, 2023 by mannc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 FWIW, Brandon Beane’s Draft Picks other than Allen Listed as Starters to Open the Season Gabe Davis, 2020, 4th Round Cyress O’Torrence, 2023, 2nd Round Spencer Brown, 2021, 3rd Round Dawson Knox, 2019, 3rd Round James Cook, 2022, 2nd Round Greg Rousseau, 2021, 1st Round Ed Oliver, 2019, 1st Round Terrell Bernard, 2022, 3rd Round Kaiir Elam, 2022, 1st Round Taron Johnson, 2018, 4th Round Tyler Bass, 2020, 6th Round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 hours ago, eball said: Does it really matter? Those who love to bash Beane for his drafting (Hi @Ethan in Cleveland) will say the criteria is b.s., and those who value Beane will say the criteria is spot-on. The bottom line is that Beane is an overall top 5-10 GM in this league (at worst), and anyone who thinks he is holding the Bills back is an idiot. I agree Beane is a good GM. But, IMHO, any Bills fan calling fellow Bills fans idiots is being idiotic. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 5 hours ago, eball said: Does it really matter? Those who love to bash Beane for his drafting (Hi @Ethan in Cleveland) will say the criteria is b.s., and those who value Beane will say the criteria is spot-on. The bottom line is that Beane is an overall top 5-10 GM in this league (at worst), and anyone who thinks he is holding the Bills back is an idiot. Let’s just assume that Beane isn’t holding the Bills back, then who is? The coaches? The players? If it’s the players, why? Not enough talent? Or not executing schemes properly? Is that because of a lack of talent or not very good coaching? If it’s the players, then isn’t Beane ultimate responsible for bringing them on this team for McD to coach up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/30/2023 at 9:31 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said: How is he #2 in round 3? Love the Knox pick but he has not been that great(only good by Bills TE historical perspective). Moss was terrible. Singletary just average. Phillips was not good but did get a second contract for the Vikings. Jury is still very much out on Brown. Wait until Bernard is out of the league next year and he will drop. the third is an absolute mess for most. it’s either huge upside guys with massive red flags, good character guys that don’t actually have the skill or average dudes at below premium positions knox, singletary and Harrison is a pretty decent group in there. that he’s missing that badly in the second is a relatively big deal though. That’s a spot he should pull a few average starters and an occasional big impact player with some busts mixed in. 3rd and later is a crapshoot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: I agree Beane is a good GM. But, IMHO, any Bills fan calling fellow Bills fans idiots is being idiotic. You’re kidding, right? I think most fans in general, of any team, are idiots. It’s not a Bills thing. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/30/2023 at 4:37 AM, Buffalo_Stampede said: There’s a reason we’re a top 5 team consistently. We have great overall team depth and an elite QB/WR combo. Beane hasn’t drafted an impact player other than Allen. Allen being a QB cancels out a lot of problems. A lot of average. But a lot of average with elite QB creates a good team. Who has Veach drafted as an impact player other than Mahomes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 Meanwhile we still playing one dimensional offense nah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ta111 Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 12 minutes ago, eball said: You’re kidding, right? I think most fans in general, of any team, are idiots. It’s not a Bills thing. Maybe ignorants is a better word. Bottom line is many are just emotional posters who don’t do much homework. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted August 31, 2023 Share Posted August 31, 2023 On 8/30/2023 at 9:31 AM, Ethan in Cleveland said: How is he #2 in round 3? Love the Knox pick but he has not been that great(only good by Bills TE historical perspective). Moss was terrible. Singletary just average. Phillips was not good but did get a second contract for the Vikings. Jury is still very much out on Brown. Wait until Bernard is out of the league next year and he will drop. You need to do a little research into the success rates of draft rounds. It goes exponentially down every round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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