PrimeTime101 Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/4-cut-candidates-on-bills-roster-ahead-of-nfl-training-camp/ar-AA1dE08J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=711a4dba575746aa98de8c5f655de11a&ei=13 Mitch Morse Center Mitch Morse has struggled with injuries and has a high salary cap hit. According to reports, the Bills could save $6-7 million in cap space by cutting Morse. He is a reliable center for the Bills, but his $11.3 million salary is a lot to pay for a player who has not been playing at an elite level. According to PFF’s metrics, Morse was the 24th-ranked center in the league and gave up three sacks during the 2022 season (What the article does not explain is the trash guards Morse has had around him that does severly effect "pff metrics" Latavius Murray Running back Latavius Murray is likewise a cut candidate despite being signed in the offseason. He currently sits third on the pecking order behind James Cook and Damien Harris. Murray has a high salary cap hit of $3.5 million, and the Bills have a crowded backfield. Take note that the Bills typically have four running backs on their roster, but one of those spots went to Taiwan Jones, who primarily played special teams. Latavius Murray has not played much special teams later in his career, so he may not fit that role. (I can see this happening but they need bodies for camp. And i find that funny considering the next player on the list.) Nyheim Hines If Murray stays, then we think another running back might get cut, and that’s Nyheim Hines. While he is a talented player, Hines is behind Murray on the depth chart as of today. Again, the Bills have a crowded backfield and may need to make some tough decisions about which players to keep. His role on the Buffalo Bills is being questioned, as the team could save $4.8 million by cutting him since he has no guaranteed money in 2023. (I guess they forgot about his contribution's on the special teams... They say we are crowded yet Mims is likely PS candidate that leaves us with 4 RB's /Last year we had 2 RB's that played special teams, Jones and Hines. ) Dean Marlowe Safety Dean Marlowe recently signed a one-year deal to return to the Bills. However, he faces an uphill battle at safety. Recall that the Bills already have Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Taylor Rapp, and Damar Hamlin. Marlowe was acquired by the Bills amid Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer’s injury, and he became a starter after Damar Hamlin’s injury in the playoffs. While Marlowe made an impact in the playoffs, he faces tough competition for a roster spot in the crowded secondary. This is the only one that makes sense. You would think these guys would be talking with people with a little more insight to what is going on then first appearances and pff. thoughts? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Damar got injured in the playoffs? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I thought Himes restructured to lower his salary but got guaranteed money to do so? Article seems poorly written with no understanding of what has happened this off-season. 6 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Would be a dumb move getting rid of Hines this early. He’s shown potential and I think a full TC will benefit him greatly. No way they keep Murray over him. 3 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 The article author must have read here about the Hines experiment being over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 20 minutes ago, Big Turk said: I thought Himes restructured to lower his salary but got guaranteed money to do so? Article seems poorly written with no understanding of what has happened this off-season. I agree and this is my whole point of saying this... people need to stop believing everything the media says.... 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I like Mitch and don't think he'd be cut for performance reasons - not an all-pro but decent enough to start here. I just worry about his health - he could be one concussion away from retirement and I'd hate for that to happen. Part if me was a little surprised he's playing this year - really thought he might hang it up after last season. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 4 minutes ago, The Avenger said: I like Mitch and don't think he'd be cut for performance reasons - not an all-pro but decent enough to start here. I just worry about his health - he could be one concussion away from retirement and I'd hate for that to happen. Part if me was a little surprised he's playing this year - really thought he might hang it up after last season. Right now, cutting the best center we have makes no sense. He gets a concussion this offseason or preseason? that changes things quickly. 2 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taro Nimbus Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 They will trim down the defensive line before anything. Basham and Epinesa are probably on the way out. 2 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/4-cut-candidates-on-bills-roster-ahead-of-nfl-training-camp/ar-AA1dE08J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=711a4dba575746aa98de8c5f655de11a&ei=13 Mitch Morse Center Mitch Morse has struggled with injuries and has a high salary cap hit. According to reports, the Bills could save $6-7 million in cap space by cutting Morse. He is a reliable center for the Bills, but his $11.3 million salary is a lot to pay for a player who has not been playing at an elite level. According to PFF’s metrics, Morse was the 24th-ranked center in the league and gave up three sacks during the 2022 season (What the article does not explain is the trash guards Morse has had around him that does severly effect "pff metrics" thoughts? Ryan bates play has been far from "trash". I think his play has been better than Morse overall. One could argue he's playing between two weak players in Morse and Brown. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 2 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: They will trim down the defensive line before anything. Basham and Epinesa are probably on the way out. Why would they move Epinesa when he went from 1.5 sacks to 6.5 last year? Teams usually don't get rid of guys who are showing improvement and increasing their sack totals by 5 year over year. 7 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 43 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Nyheim Hines If Murray stays, then we think another running back might get cut, and that’s Nyheim Hines. While he is a talented player, Hines is behind Murray on the depth chart as of today. Again, the Bills have a crowded backfield and may need to make some tough decisions about which players to keep. His role on the Buffalo Bills is being questioned, as the team could save $4.8 million by cutting him since he has no guaranteed money in 2023. (I guess they forgot about his contribution's on the special teams... They say we are crowded yet Mims is likely PS candidate that leaves us with 4 RB's /Last year we had 2 RB's that played special teams, Jones and Hines. ) The recent ST rule change can't help Hines much either. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted July 10, 2023 Author Share Posted July 10, 2023 5 minutes ago, Warcodered said: The recent ST rule change can't help Hines much either. That rule favors Hines. Why does everyone think that every returner is going to town it within say the 10? Hines is talented enough to take risks when asked to. HE will keep special teams on their toes. You think they wont let a guy like Hines go for it often enough? 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: Ryan bates play has been far from "trash". I think his play has been better than Morse overall. One could argue he's playing between two weak players in Morse and Brown. I would argue right now that a healthy Morse is better than Bates and its not close for me. Again, having 2 good guards around a Center changes everything. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 (edited) 57 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/4-cut-candidates-on-bills-roster-ahead-of-nfl-training-camp/ar-AA1dE08J?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531&cvid=711a4dba575746aa98de8c5f655de11a&ei=13 Mitch Morse Center Mitch Morse has struggled with injuries and has a high salary cap hit. According to reports, the Bills could save $6-7 million in cap space by cutting Morse. He is a reliable center for the Bills, but his $11.3 million salary is a lot to pay for a player who has not been playing at an elite level. According to PFF’s metrics, Morse was the 24th-ranked center in the league and gave up three sacks during the 2022 season (What the article does not explain is the trash guards Morse has had around him that does severly effect "pff metrics" Latavius Murray Running back Latavius Murray is likewise a cut candidate despite being signed in the offseason. He currently sits third on the pecking order behind James Cook and Damien Harris. Murray has a high salary cap hit of $3.5 million, and the Bills have a crowded backfield. Take note that the Bills typically have four running backs on their roster, but one of those spots went to Taiwan Jones, who primarily played special teams. Latavius Murray has not played much special teams later in his career, so he may not fit that role. (I can see this happening but they need bodies for camp. And i find that funny considering the next player on the list.) Nyheim Hines If Murray stays, then we think another running back might get cut, and that’s Nyheim Hines. While he is a talented player, Hines is behind Murray on the depth chart as of today. Again, the Bills have a crowded backfield and may need to make some tough decisions about which players to keep. His role on the Buffalo Bills is being questioned, as the team could save $4.8 million by cutting him since he has no guaranteed money in 2023. (I guess they forgot about his contribution's on the special teams... They say we are crowded yet Mims is likely PS candidate that leaves us with 4 RB's /Last year we had 2 RB's that played special teams, Jones and Hines. ) Dean Marlowe Safety Dean Marlowe recently signed a one-year deal to return to the Bills. However, he faces an uphill battle at safety. Recall that the Bills already have Micah Hyde, Jordan Poyer, Taylor Rapp, and Damar Hamlin. Marlowe was acquired by the Bills amid Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer’s injury, and he became a starter after Damar Hamlin’s injury in the playoffs. While Marlowe made an impact in the playoffs, he faces tough competition for a roster spot in the crowded secondary. This is the only one that makes sense. You would think these guys would be talking with people with a little more insight to what is going on then first appearances and pff. thoughts? Agree, Marlowe is the only one that makes total sense. With Hines restructure and his return ability it makes more sense to keep him and his value may increase if Cook misses any time with injury. Murray doesn't make sense as a cut candidate for what they would save by it. I have said in the past that there may be a path where he does not start on the 53 man roster but is placed on the practice squad to start the year. This keeps him available in case Harris misses time and for him, keeps him local where he wants to be to set up his post playing career. It would be a win/win for player and team and it would not shock me if this was discussed prior to his signing here. Morse is the tricky one. The price tag is rather high and his concussion history is an issue. Yes, the Bills would save a huge amount with a cut. However, they had better be darn sure that Bates, Edwards or whoever they slot in there isn't a downgrade. They spend money to bring in some FA (potential) upgrades and invested hight draft capital (2nd rounder) for another to upgrade the IOL. I don't see them willing to possibly throw that into disarray by moving on from the guy that has been the most consistent OL we have had. Edited July 10, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 I don’t know about being an early cut, but I do think this is Morse’s last year in Buffalo, maybe Tre White’s as well. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 23 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: Right now, cutting the best center we have makes no sense. He gets a concussion this offseason or preseason? that changes things quickly. Not saying we should cut him, but certainly lots of questions here and the team needs to have a plan in case he takes another blow to the head. If that plan is to make a move now so be it - wouldn't totally shock me if the Bills made some sort of move if there's an opportunity but I can also see Mitch playing as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 9 minutes ago, Rico said: I don’t know about being an early cut, but I do think this is Morse’s last year in Buffalo, maybe Tre White’s as well. Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Costa Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 Murray is making just over a million per. Not 3.5 per. This overall take is whack. I’d do think they may trade Hines. They’d save 3.3 million. Could help bring in Davin Cook or Nuk. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 38 minutes ago, Taro Nimbus said: They will trim down the defensive line before anything. Basham and Epinesa are probably on the way out. Boogie for sure. AJ I think they'll keep. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 10, 2023 Share Posted July 10, 2023 45 minutes ago, The Avenger said: I like Mitch and don't think he'd be cut for performance reasons - not an all-pro but decent enough to start here. I just worry about his health - he could be one concussion away from retirement and I'd hate for that to happen. Part if me was a little surprised he's playing this year - really thought he might hang it up after last season. No offense but why do people insist on weighing in on what’s best for players and their profession? I’m sure that Mitch is a big boy that can make grown up decisions not to mention team doctors that say it’s OK for him to play. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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