Matt_In_NH Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Spotrac has his value at 2 years 8.4 million. I would rather pay him 4.2 million, and cut hines, his cap savings would be 4.6 million. But knowing how Beane operates, he won't give up Hines after trading for him. That would be reasonable. Spotrac has been known to be wildly wrong on their valuations though. I like the idea, might be a good fit to go with Cook. Hines makes more than that right now. Edited March 12, 2023 by Matt_In_NH 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 9 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: Spotrac has his value at 2 years 8.4 million. I would rather pay him 4.2 million, and cut hines, his cap savings would be 4.6 million. But knowing how Beane operates, he won't give up Hines after trading for him. If we don't cut Hines I will be shocked considering we can walk away with no cost. The cost is not worth his production when there are so many free agent RBs available. As for the trade, we traded a spare part and got some production, so in my book it is already a good trade. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: If we don't cut Hines I will be shocked considering we can walk away with no cost. The cost is not worth his production when there are so many free agent RBs available. As for the trade, we traded a spare part and got some production, so in my book it is already a good trade. Cap cost sure. Draft capital no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Just now, Orlando Tim said: If we don't cut Hines I will be shocked considering we can walk away with no cost. The cost is not worth his production when there are so many free agent RBs available. As for the trade, we traded a spare part and got some production, so in my book it is already a good trade. What worries me is the way Beane talked at his after season presser. He talked about Hines being better in the offense next year with a whole offseason learning the offense, or something along those lines. If Hines is kept, hopefully its a restructured contract at much lower number. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orlando Tim Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 2 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Cap cost sure. Draft capital no. I just had to look it up, I had forgotten the 6th rounder. On the day of the trade it seemed like nothing but now I want it back. 3 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: What worries me is the way Beane talked at his after season presser. He talked about Hines being better in the offense next year with a whole offseason learning the offense, or something along those lines. If Hines is kept, hopefully its a restructured contract at much lower number. I should have mentioned if he agrees to a 2.5 million contract then I expect him back but RB is simply not our priority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 12, 2023 Author Share Posted March 12, 2023 8 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: If we don't cut Hines I will be shocked considering we can walk away with no cost. The cost is not worth his production when there are so many free agent RBs available. As for the trade, we traded a spare part and got some production, so in my book it is already a good trade. This. Beane traded a late round pick and a guy who was a healthy scratch for a dude that housed a couple kickoffs and was a reliable punt returner in a season we were trying to win a Super Bowl. It was worth it. Good trade. Doesn’t mean we need to keep him next year though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Should've just paid McCaffrey 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 9 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Thoughts on what it’ll take? 3 year 16 mil? I would guess around 2 years between 9-10 total. Can’t see a 27 year old rotation back getting 3 years, but you never know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said: I just had to look it up, I had forgotten the 6th rounder. On the day of the trade it seemed like nothing but now I want it back. I should have mentioned if he agrees to a 2.5 million contract then I expect him back but RB is simply not our priority. I’ll just keep saying it: I think he also helps replace mckenzie. If you chalk a few of the dollars to slot receiver it’s helpful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 12, 2023 Author Share Posted March 12, 2023 I honestly think Cook/Williams might be the perfect backfield for the Bills. Speed/Gamebreaker in Cook. Power back in Williams. Both great in the pass game. Just not sure what we’re doing with Hines. I can see him being KR/PR/Slot/Gadget/RB3, but we’re not exactly in a position to be paying 2 RB’s legit money.. If Hines stays, hopefully it’s with a pay cut/incentives based contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 12 hours ago, UmbrellaMan said: I want Rashaad Penny as a compliment to Cook if Bijan doesn’t make it to 27. Williams is just a guy, who had an outlier year last year but has no remarkable skillset as a RB. I think Williams is a bit overrated too, but at least he can actually stay on the field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Green Lightning Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 A reliable way of picking up a first and 2 without beating up Josh? Sign me up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Bills reportedly interested in many different players…, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 The RB addition for this team shouldn't be a significant part of their offseason work. James Cook should be getting half the carries at least either way. I'm sure it's probably just Williams agent leaking info to drum up interest in him but if he's not a cheap signing he's a waste. Yeah, he's a good blocker and solid short yardage guy.........but the likelihood is you are getting the Green Bay version.........which will look a lot like a taller Zack Moss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motor26 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Get the power back Moss was supposed to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 14 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said: 27. Only 4.1 YPC though You’re right. I’ve listened to Singletary lovers tout his YPC and tell me he’s great 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 minutes ago, Motor26 said: Get the power back Moss was supposed to be. Meh...power is overrated. SPACE is where it's at. 😁 * "Eight yards north...eight yards south...one yard gain on the play. Ladies and gentlemen, it's C.J. Spiller!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 (edited) I would think per the cap a rookie would be better but Beane knows best . 14 minutes ago, AlCowlingsTaxiService said: You’re right. I’ve listened to Singletary lovers tout his YPC and tell me he’s great 😂 Any way you look at it he's better than Moss . And if they use him as much as they did Duke Johnson i'll pass ! If Beane has 1 weak area it's the RB position to this point Motor was a good back but either they don't use them or like with Moss they just miss go big or don't go at all . Edited March 12, 2023 by T master Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 3 hours ago, Orlando Tim said: If we don't cut Hines I will be shocked considering we can walk away with no cost. The cost is not worth his production when there are so many free agent RBs available. As for the trade, we traded a spare part and got some production, so in my book it is already a good trade. Either he’s cut or extended at a lower price- keeping him with that cap hit- No thanks. Jamaal Williams is a beast and we’d be very lucky to have him. The kid has put in work and have improved year after year. Tremendous locker room guy and brings some swag to the backfield Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 12, 2023 Share Posted March 12, 2023 Hines wasn’t used properly last year. He’s a big time playmaker especially in open space. No way am I cutting him. Restructuring his deal? Sure. I’m also not in the same camp as you all with Jamaal Williams. He’s a grinder and decent in short yardage but he was that in GB also. He looked better in Detroit because of their fantastic offensive line. I love his passion but I don’t think he’s worth a hefty contract. We can get the same impact from him that we could from Perine, Foreman, Montgomery, Penny, or any 5th-7th round plodding RB that falls because he can’t catch but can pick up short yardage. Nothing against Jamaal but I just don’t think he’s worth the money he’s going to be given when we have more pressing needs at WR and OL, or even a LB to replace Edmunds. Hines, Cook and a cheap bulldozer are good enough for what our offense does. We just need more creative play-calling from Mr. Dorsey. That all being said, I won’t be mad if somehow Bijan Robinson falls to us and we take him. The kid is special enough to invest in but I’d still rather go OL or Zay Flowers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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