Best possible picks at 27?

[GunnerBill]

That time is a problem for Addison IMO. It isn't end of the world bad bit what I have struggled with him is what is the special trait. He is kind of all around solid.... but where is the special? In my head I have been saying "you felt this way about AJ Brown and ended up giving him a high 2 and you should have stuck with your gut that he waa 1st rounder." He ran a 4.49. 

 

I dunno. I'm not being reactionary and moving him down.... but I will go back to some of the film. 

[balln]

30 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

That time is a problem for Addison IMO. It isn't end of the world bad bit what I have struggled with him is what is the special trait. He is kind of all around solid.... but where is the special? In my head I have been saying "you felt this way about AJ Brown and ended up giving him a high 2 and you should have stuck with your gut that he waa 1st rounder." He ran a 4.49. 

 

I dunno. I'm not being reactionary and moving him down.... but I will go back to some of the film. 

when he was in pITT he was pretty productive. great red zone route runner. just a solid player. hes a slower robert woods / possession wr in nfl. should be rd 2-3 pick

[starrymessenger]

On 3/2/2023 at 11:46 AM, wppete said:

I’m starting to think Bijan Robinson could be a great pick if he is there at #27. Special talent. I see the Saquan Barkley comparison. He’s a 3 down back who can catch and run crisp routes and is a great blocker. 

not good in pass pro - yet

[McBean]

Trade pick.

 

If staying put?

 

Flowers or Torrence

 

I’d love JSN but he isn’t gonna be there

Edited March 4, 2023 by McBean

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

If he is there I wouldn't hate it. I doubt there is a possible pick I'm gonna love at #27 tbh. The more of this class I watch, the less I like it. Does make me more inclined towards guys you think can come in and be good early even if their ceiling is lower. Cos I don't think this draft is gonna kick out too many all pros when it is all said and done. 

If I were to tell you that 5 guys in this draft eventually became all-pros, who would you guess?

Edited March 4, 2023 by Kirby Jackson

[starrymessenger]

i dont know that JSN will be there at 27. No question if hes still the 2021 guy you are getting a top shelf slot receiver who is plug and play. I think he may be a Raven, esp if as I suspect Lamar is history in Baltimore. My issue with him is I see Shakir as our slot guy and he can be a good one. So I would prefer a wr who can bring something different as a playmaker. Also just throwing it out there but some observers feel that JSN will not be the same YAC guy in the pros. If there is a drop off (reasonable to expect) the question is how much.

 

 

 

 

 

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

That time is a problem for Addison IMO. It isn't end of the world bad bit what I have struggled with him is what is the special trait. He is kind of all around solid.... but where is the special? In my head I have been saying "you felt this way about AJ Brown and ended up giving him a high 2 and you should have stuck with your gut that he waa 1st rounder." He ran a 4.49. 

 

I dunno. I'm not being reactionary and moving him down.... but I will go back to some of the film. 

The thing with AJ Brown that mitigated his "OK - not great" speed was his physicality.  Dude is rocked up and powerful.  Addison is quite thin, but at the same time, rules don't allow too much contact with WRs except near the line.  If he can get off the line, he seems to have the quickness and route running chops to get open and the hands to catch the ball reliably.  

Is Addison worth pick 27?  Is really anybody that will be available a better option?  I don't know, but I do think anyone they select is going to be sort of a consolation prize given the general weakness of the class.  

Thoughts?

35 minutes ago, McBean said:

Trade pick.

 

If staying put?

 

Flowers or Torrence

 

I’d love JSN but he isn’t gonna be there

Trading down is easy to say, but you have to find someone willing to move up.  Who would be so enticing that could reasonably be available that some team wants to trade back up into round 1?  I suppose some team might like a QB that hasn't gone yet at that point, but who that would be I don't know.  I think once you get past Anthony Richardson, I don't know that any of the remaining QBs would be enticing enough for someone to move up for, even if it meant gaining 5th year option.

[PBF81]

On 3/2/2023 at 10:33 AM, BeastMode54 said:

I'm curious who people on this board think would be the best player to take at 27? From all the mocks I've seen, these are the guys who have been mocked to us most frequently. Just curious what everyone's thoughts are on these guys.

 

Jordan Addison WR

Jaylin Hyatt WR

Rashee Rice WR

Bijan Robinson RB

Cyrus O'Torrence OG

Antonio Johnson S

Cody Mauch OT

 

One of the dumbest things that they could do at 27th is take a WR.  The history for WRs being taken that late contributing immediately is miserable.  

 

I'm curious what people think as to what our starting LB unit looks like going into this season at the moment?  

 

The OL is dicey, but the LB core is non-existent after Milano.  He goes down, LMAO, then what?   Seriously.  

 

 

[McBean]

22 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The thing with AJ Brown that mitigated his "OK - not great" speed was his physicality.  Dude is rocked up and powerful.  Addison is quite thin, but at the same time, rules don't allow too much contact with WRs except near the line.  If he can get off the line, he seems to have the quickness and route running chops to get open and the hands to catch the ball reliably.  

Is Addison worth pick 27?  Is really anybody that will be available a better option?  I don't know, but I do think anyone they select is going to be sort of a consolation prize given the general weakness of the class.  

Thoughts?

Trading down is easy to say, but you have to find someone willing to move up.  Who would be so enticing that could reasonably be available that some team wants to trade back up into round 1?  I suppose some team might like a QB that hasn't gone yet at that point, but who that would be I don't know.  I think once you get past Anthony Richardson, I don't know that any of the remaining QBs would be enticing enough for someone to move up for, even if it meant gaining 5th year option.

The team?

 

Tennessee.

 

They have pick 41. 
 

I’d love for a QB to fall, they panic and move up to 27.

 

What I’d want?

 

Give them 27 and Oliver for 41 and Jeff Simmons.

 

He’s the guy we should’ve drafted in 2019. Everything Oliver isn’t, he is.

[Dr.Sack]

O’Cyrus is not sexy, but he will absolutely dominate his man. 

[TheBeaneBandit]

15 minutes ago, McBean said:

The team?

 

Tennessee.

 

They have pick 41. 
 

I’d love for a QB to fall, they panic and move up to 27.

 

What I’d want?

 

Give them 27 and Oliver for 41 and Jeff Simmons.

 

He’s the guy we should’ve drafted in 2019. Everything Oliver isn’t, he is.

Unfortunately I think the Titans know that too and wouldn't do that trade.

[Kirby Jackson]

40 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The thing with AJ Brown that mitigated his "OK - not great" speed was his physicality.  Dude is rocked up and powerful.  Addison is quite thin, but at the same time, rules don't allow too much contact with WRs except near the line.  If he can get off the line, he seems to have the quickness and route running chops to get open and the hands to catch the ball reliably.  

Is Addison worth pick 27?  Is really anybody that will be available a better option?  I don't know, but I do think anyone they select is going to be sort of a consolation prize given the general weakness of the class.  

Thoughts?

Trading down is easy to say, but you have to find someone willing to move up.  Who would be so enticing that could reasonably be available that some team wants to trade back up into round 1?  I suppose some team might like a QB that hasn't gone yet at that point, but who that would be I don't know.  I think once you get past Anthony Richardson, I don't know that any of the remaining QBs would be enticing enough for someone to move up for, even if it meant gaining 5th year option.

At 5’11 and 173 lbs, that’s just an okay time. 

 

[OldTimer1960]

18 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

O’Cyrus is not sexy, but he will absolutely dominate his man. 

In the two games I watched, I didn’t think that Torrence really dominated in his blocks.  No doubt he is huge and has power, but I didn’t see many (any?) instances where he blew his man completely off the LOS.

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

At 5’11 and 173 lbs, that’s just an okay time. 

 

Several WRs had underwhelming workouts.  Addison’s vertical was OK, but nothing special, either.  Kayshon Boutte’s 29” vert was worse than a lot of DEs put up and his 4.5 40 is OK.  

[gonzo1105]

Have the TEs gone yet? I keep telling people that if the Bills want offensive playmaker in round 1 the value is most likely going to be at the TE position and not at WR. 

I know Dalton Kincaid isn’t doing anything but curious about the other TEs who could go top 3 rounds 

 

A guy I really like for the Bills as a fit is TE Tucker Kraft out of South Dakota State. He’s the small school Michael Mayer very similar games. 

[OldTimer1960]

3 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Have the TEs gone yet? I keep telling people that if the Bills want offensive playmaker in round 1 the value is most likely going to be at the TE position and not at WR. 

I know Dalton Kincaid isn’t doing anything but curious about the other TEs who could go top 3 rounds 

I think you could be right.  I’m not seeing a WR is isn’t either small, pigeon-holed to slot only or not particularly fast.  I love Flowers and Downs’ quickness, but Flowers is really small to play outside and Downs is slight and short even in the slot.

 

If premium positions are QB, WR, OT, CB and DE then I think you are going to need to look at “less premium “ positions at 27 or go defense which is probably not preferable.  A few C/Gs will be of some interest, but that isn’t typically a first round position.  You might see a RT like Darnell Wright available, but again RT isn’t typical for round 1.  Most would not be happy with a RB - the most devalued position.  So, what should they do?

[gonzo1105]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think you could be right.  I’m not seeing a WR is isn’t either small, pigeon-holed to slot only or not particularly fast.  I love Flowers and Downs’ quickness, but Flowers is really small to play outside and Downs is slight and short even in the slot.

 

If premium positions are QB, WR, OT, CB and DE then I think you are going to need to look at “less premium “ positions at 27 or go defense which is probably not preferable.  A few C/Gs will be of some interest, but that isn’t typically a first round position.  You might see a RT like Darnell Wright available, but again RT isn’t typical for round 1.  Most would not be happy with a RB - the most devalued position.  So, what should they do?

I agree that the value, if they stay put at 27 is not at WR. The value lies on the interior offensive line(Avila, Schmitz), TE(Kincaid, Mayer), DE(Van Ness, Smith, Byron Young, or a LB like Trenton Simpson who the Bills could use all over their defense esp if McDermott plans on being more aggressive 

[Kirby Jackson]

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I think you could be right.  I’m not seeing a WR is isn’t either small, pigeon-holed to slot only or not particularly fast.  I love Flowers and Downs’ quickness, but Flowers is really small to play outside and Downs is slight and short even in the slot.

 

If premium positions are QB, WR, OT, CB and DE then I think you are going to need to look at “less premium “ positions at 27 or go defense which is probably not preferable.  A few C/Gs will be of some interest, but that isn’t typically a first round position.  You might see a RT like Darnell Wright available, but again RT isn’t typical for round 1.  Most would not be happy with a RB - the most devalued position.  So, what should they do?

This is exactly why I haven’t said “absolutely not” to Bijan at 27. He is a top 5 player in this draft and would give the Bills one of the best backfields in football. I still prefer WR or OL but I won’t complain about Bijan.

[Dr.Sack]

24 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

In the two games I watched, I didn’t think that Torrence really dominated in his blocks.  No doubt he is huge and has power, but I didn’t see many (any?) instances where he blew his man completely off the LOS.

Find the Georgia game and watch him vs Jalen Carter. 

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

That time is a problem for Addison IMO. It isn't end of the world bad bit what I have struggled with him is what is the special trait. He is kind of all around solid.... but where is the special? In my head I have been saying "you felt this way about AJ Brown and ended up giving him a high 2 and you should have stuck with your gut that he waa 1st rounder." He ran a 4.49. 

 

I dunno. I'm not being reactionary and moving him down.... but I will go back to some of the film. 

I don’t see Addison as 1st round talent- MAYBE second round- like Robert Woods was…But I don’t see him as a better talent than when Woods was drafted…

[OldTimer1960]

10 minutes ago, Dr.Sack said:

Find the Georgia game and watch him vs Jalen Carter. 

I saw that.  He had a good game vs Carter.  I didn’t say that Torrence isn’t any good.  I just don’t think that he is some kind of human bulldozer- he has power for sure, but is he just going to dominate his man by pushing him 5 yards of the LOS?  I think he would be a good player, just not super dominant - though I think you can figure he would really help the 3rd and short run game.

[JaCrispy]

2 hours ago, McBean said:

Trade pick.

 

If staying put?

 

Flowers or Torrence

 

I’d love JSN but he isn’t gonna be there

I don’t see anything special about JSN, just like with Addison…I would not be surprised if these two did not have first round grades…Teams like traits in the first rounds- these guys don’t seem to have the explosiveness or speed…

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

If I were to tell you that 5 guys in this draft eventually became all-pros, who would you guess?

 

Carter (legal issues allowing)

Paris Johnson Jnr

Joey Porter

Peter Skoronski (as a guard)

Bijan Robinson

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

The thing with AJ Brown that mitigated his "OK - not great" speed was his physicality.  Dude is rocked up and powerful.  Addison is quite thin, but at the same time, rules don't allow too much contact with WRs except near the line.  If he can get off the line, he seems to have the quickness and route running chops to get open and the hands to catch the ball reliably.  

Is Addison worth pick 27?  Is really anybody that will be available a better option?  I don't know, but I do think anyone they select is going to be sort of a consolation prize given the general weakness of the class.  

Thoughts?

 

Yep, bit more explosive, bit more physical. Probably less shifty ball in hand. 

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, JaCrispy said:

I don’t see Addison as 1st round talent- MAYBE second round- like Robert Woods was…But I don’t see him as a better talent than when Woods was drafted…

 

2013 is the last year before I started trying to evaluate the draft. He is certainly less physical than Woods. It is his route running and his shiftiness that I like on film. But how effective is that in the NFL if you are running a 4.55? Dunno.

[KOKBILLS]

Jordan Addison - He'll likely be gone...

Zay Flowers - Love him...

Jalin Hyatt - Let's go...

Darnell Washington - Unicorn...

Jaxon Smith-Njigba - I do want to see his 40 time...I'm a bit nervous about the speed. But he's good.

Michael Meyer - I think he could fall a bit. He's just a real good football player. 

 

I like a few of the O-Linemen...There are 4-5 guys they could take at #27 on the O-Line. The depth between the end of the 1st and middle of the 2nd looks pretty decent at O-Line...For that reason, I think if the Bills are going to take an O-Lineman, they should trade down a bit...

 

 

[Richard Noggin]

Is Jack Campbell gone already in everyone's projections? Or is he dinged for not being OL or WR? Don't draft need. Draft the most talented players/people. Once the draft becomes about the following season, you're in trouble. 

[John from Riverside]

8 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

Is Jack Campbell gone already in everyone's projections? Or is he dinged for not being OL or WR? Don't draft need. Draft the most talented players/people. Once the draft becomes about the following season, you're in trouble. 

I’d like to see a trade down and pick up Jack Campbell and an offense of lineman in the second round
 

Bringing a veteran wide receiver to compete with Gabe Davis

Edited March 6, 2023 by John from Riverside

[Chandler#81]

 

[starrymessenger]

On 3/5/2023 at 8:14 PM, KOKBILLS said:

Jordan Addison - He'll likely be gone...

Zay Flowers - Love him...

Jalin Hyatt - Let's go...

Darnell Washington - Unicorn...

Jaxon Smith-Njigba - I do want to see his 40 time...I'm a bit nervous about the speed. But he's good.

Michael Meyer - I think he could fall a bit. He's just a real good football player. 

 

I like a few of the O-Linemen...There are 4-5 guys they could take at #27 on the O-Line. The depth between the end of the 1st and middle of the 2nd looks pretty decent at O-Line...For that reason, I think if the Bills are going to take an O-Lineman, they should trade down a bit...

 

 

I like Flowers a lot too. In fact I'm not sure he isn't right on par with Addison as a prospect. Some folks just can't get off his size as a weakness. He's just a tad north of 5'9" and weighs 182 pounds. That's only one inch less and just a couple of pounds lighter than Antonio Brown. What if he becomes AB (without the head case)? Are people going to complain about his size then? Dubs. And while many feel that this WR class is "weak" I'm sure some valuable starters at that position will be drafted this year. Addison won the Belitnikoff in 2021 while at Pittsburg a year the class is said to be so much stronger. He can play - and at a high level. JSN is going to be a great slot receiver, guaranteed 80 catches, 1000 yards every year including year one. More than half the good nfl WRs are smaller guys and that may well be the direction the game is headed. There just aren't that many alpha dogs out there.
Mind you I'm not complaining either if the best TE in this years class is there at 27 and we take him. Or Bijan. Point is with likely first round runs on QB, DB, edge, there should be some excellent players to choose from at positions of need. I just don't want them to outsmart themselves again ala the Bernard pick. That TooToo guy worries me. He's so smart, such a process oriented guy etc...sounds exactly like Bernard. So if Bernard was a fifth round pick taken in the third maybe TooToo who is projected in the third will be a first round pick on McD's board. Please God no. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by starrymessenger

[T master]

Torrence, Wright, Mauch ( because he has the same name as the guy on Chicago fire 😜), Robinson i would love to see for a much better run game to help Josh out plus he is a passing threat too along with cook that would be a run game to depend on , or Drew Sanders would be another i wouldn't mind .