purple haze Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 4 minutes ago, QLBillsFan said: Actually, the strategy the Ravens are employing is smart. The non exclusive forces other teams in the NFL to create his current market value which they can then match. They gave him the 133m guaranteed offer which he didn’t think was of value. If they don’t match it they get 2# 1’s which allows them to move on. From a 12-14 ranked qb who has to some degree been figured out, injury prone, who needs an offense geared around his skills. That to me is the making the best of the situation. The Ravens will survive this. Lamar 🤷🏻♂️? Jackson will get paid somewhere. The Ravens don’t want to lose him. They could trade him for two picks already. They want other teams to do their work for them and they want to be able to say they had no choice but to let him go. It’s all optics. I get it though. No guarantees they find a better QB. It’s a crap shoot. A lot of teams have been in that QB desert for years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, purple haze said: Jackson will get paid somewhere. The Ravens don’t want to lose him. They could trade him for two picks already. They want other teams to do their work for them and they want to be able to say they had no choice but to let him go. It’s all optics. I get it though. No guarantees they find a better QB. It’s a crap shoot. A lot of teams have been in that QB desert for years. Yes agree that I think they prefer to keep him. He’s certainly good and it’s not impossible that he can lead them to the SB. The QB desert is real and the Ravens would be set back if he goes. It remains to be seen how long that set back is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 10 hours ago, purple haze said: Jackson will get paid somewhere. The Ravens don’t want to lose him. They could trade him for two picks already. They want other teams to do their work for them and they want to be able to say they had no choice but to let him go. It’s all optics. I get it though. No guarantees they find a better QB. It’s a crap shoot. A lot of teams have been in that QB desert for years. What do you mean they could trade him for 2 picks already? Who is negotiating with Lamar right now? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 10 hours ago, purple haze said: I think his market value is being manipulated by the owners, but it is what is. He’s not getting that Watson deal even if there was an owner out there willing to give it to him. Now, it’s about where he’ll play next. And how much less than fully guaranteed he’ll be forced to accept? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 On 3/24/2023 at 12:37 PM, ColoradoBills said: My understanding is the tag rules are written in stone. I can't ever recall anyone mentioning that is an option, but I could be wrong. Cant the Ravens revoke the tag and just negotiate their own deal at this point though? Seems like a silly thing for the NFL to block. The two 1sts is there to protect the team that used the tag, if they want to negotiate for something less, it seems weird to stop them from doing it. I dont think it sets a precedent that takes away value of the tag for other teams down the road. weird Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 10 hours ago, purple haze said: I think his market value is being manipulated by the owners, but it is what is. He’s not getting that Watson deal even if there was an owner out there willing to give it to him. Now, it’s about where he’ll play next. This is something that may have legs to it. The supposed collusion of owners against the SF QB (name escapes me) was obviously a joke, but I can see collusion in this instance because he doesn’t “play by the rules” and get a “union approved agent”. There was also collusion against Jeff Saturday for the same reason. He didn’t/doesn’t kiss the ring of the powers that be, so all the powers unite to make sure no one else tries to do the same. There are examples of this throughout our society IMO. These are the areas where actual “good ol’ boy” networks operate/thrive. They may not necessarily try to keep down one particular class/race but they will do everything possible to protect the system/network that benefits them. In this instance, no agent? Then constant mockery in the media and devaluation. Or maybe everyone’s on the up and up 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: This is something that may have legs to it. The supposed collusion of owners against the SF QB (name escapes me) was obviously a joke, but I can see collusion in this instance because he doesn’t “play by the rules” and get a “union approved agent”. There was also collusion against Jeff Saturday for the same reason. He didn’t/doesn’t kiss the ring of the powers that be, so all the powers unite to make sure no one else tries to do the same. There are examples of this throughout our society IMO. These are the areas where actual “good ol’ boy” networks operate/thrive. They may not necessarily try to keep down one particular class/race but they will do everything possible to protect the system/network that benefits them. In this instance, no agent? Then constant mockery in the media and devaluation. Or maybe everyone’s on the up and up 🤷♂️ We are just seeing the unstoppable force meet the immovable object. QB value has been a non-stop train for the last 20 years. It's gone up and up and up. Combine that with a young QB with a recent history of true greatness, a more recent history of injury concerns and weirdness and #1 in the NFL contract demands, and eventually, decision-makers in the NFL said, "it's not worth that." Allen and Mahomes are not stupid. They could have both asked for what Lamar did. They may have gotten it, they may not have. But what they definitely didn't want is this contract ugliness that will poison their national personas. How much is Mahomes making from State Farm? How much is Allen making from Gillette or whatever comes next? That's why Lamar is an idiot. If you are a superstar in the NFL, playing QB, you don't quibble over a couple million in guarantees. You sign endorsement deals and make hay while the sun shines. Edited March 27, 2023 by FireChans 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 23 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: This is something that may have legs to it. The supposed collusion of owners against the SF QB (name escapes me) was obviously a joke, but I can see collusion in this instance because he doesn’t “play by the rules” and get a “union approved agent”. There was also collusion against Jeff Saturday for the same reason. He didn’t/doesn’t kiss the ring of the powers that be, so all the powers unite to make sure no one else tries to do the same. There are examples of this throughout our society IMO. These are the areas where actual “good ol’ boy” networks operate/thrive. They may not necessarily try to keep down one particular class/race but they will do everything possible to protect the system/network that benefits them. In this instance, no agent? Then constant mockery in the media and devaluation. Or maybe everyone’s on the up and up 🤷♂️ Teams don't care if you act as your own agent. Jeff Saturday was.....colluded against? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 21 hours ago, ColoradoBills said: This debate just keeps going. IF these huge $ fully guaranteed QB contracts become the norm, there will come a time that a team(s) (and its fans) will truly regret it. These contracts have a risk of destroying a franchise. I will add to my observation using Deshaun Watson as an example. Watson has restructured this year pushing his cost for the next 3 seasons to $64M per year. What if Deshaun suffers a serious injury that is NOT career ending? What is this injury limits a QB and the team is perpetually a sub .500 team? They can't cut him and they surely couldn't trade him. The Browns already have $9M pushed out into a void year in 2027. Think of teams from a few years back that could have been saddled with these types of contracts. Wentz would still be on the Eagles and the Ravens may never have had the option of drafting Lamar if Joe Flacco's contract was fully guaranteed. This is right off the top of my head. Personally, I don't think it's good for the league. The only way possible this ever becomes the norm, is if somehow QB contracts are separated from the salary cap. the money itself isnt the problem here, its the salary cap consequences. that will never happen either. qbs make up a very small % of players in the nfl. i cant see the rest of players being willing to accept the concessions that would be required for this. it would turn into a microcosm of our country, destruction of the middle class, so that QBs can boost their already astronomical contracts. none of this will happen. down the road it doesnt seem like Bengals owner can afford a fully guaranteed deal from my understanding. thats going to be a very interesting negotiation to watch, with hugeeeeee ramifications of all deals going forward. you can have long term, or you can have guaranteed, but you cant have both. i just cant see it, and especially not with a non pocket qb 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 34 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Teams don't care if you act as your own agent. Jeff Saturday was.....colluded against? lol They colluded against him winning games because he questioned authority! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 58 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: This is something that may have legs to it. The supposed collusion of owners against the SF QB (name escapes me) was obviously a joke, but I can see collusion in this instance because he doesn’t “play by the rules” and get a “union approved agent”. There was also collusion against Jeff Saturday for the same reason. He didn’t/doesn’t kiss the ring of the powers that be, so all the powers unite to make sure no one else tries to do the same. There are examples of this throughout our society IMO. These are the areas where actual “good ol’ boy” networks operate/thrive. They may not necessarily try to keep down one particular class/race but they will do everything possible to protect the system/network that benefits them. In this instance, no agent? Then constant mockery in the media and devaluation. Or maybe everyone’s on the up and up 🤷♂️ I think the only collusion among owners is that no QB is going to get a guaranteed contract like Watson got likely ever again. In terms of them not pursuing Lamar I think it has to do with thought he wants big guaranteed money and with him not having an agent it makes it harder to negotiate as let's face it most of us value ourselves above what we're worth and if get offered significantly lesser get offended and look to move on. That's part of an agent's job is to be the middle man to find a fair contract for their client or let their client know their worth from a negotiating point of view. I fully expect Lamar to play on a franchise tag this year and see if he performs better under a more traditional coach, if he does he'll get a long term deal, if not he could be traded or not re-signed after 2023. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunvald's Husse Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 hour ago, DaggersEOD said: There was also collusion against Jeff Saturday for the same reason. He didn’t/doesn’t kiss the ring of the powers that be, so all the powers unite to make sure no one else tries to do the same. So the PTB colluded to make him completely unqualified for the HC job and further colluded to make him finish with a 1-7 record? 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Atlanta should be all over this trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 (edited) Lmao Lamar oh noes bb what are u doin https://twitter.com/adamschefter/status/1640365877315903496?s=46&t=GGNmxHtuMQWK-ZEccAMZsQ Edited March 27, 2023 by FireChans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dablitzkrieg Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 Patriots gonna get him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 1 minute ago, Draconator said: No no no, it’s so much worse. He demanded a trade a month ago. So to recap, super agent Lamar has: Not gotten any traction in a trade market for a month Not gotten any traction in a two first rounders and a fully guaranteed contract in 20 days Who are the Colts bidding against then? Lmao this dude is horrible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted March 27, 2023 Author Share Posted March 27, 2023 This Harbaugh press conference at the league meeting isn't awkward at all.... The second he sits down, first question to him "Lamar just tweeted....." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Patriots gonna get him No chance. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted March 27, 2023 Share Posted March 27, 2023 55 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Teams don't care if you act as your own agent. Jeff Saturday was.....colluded against? lol Oh you didn’t watch any news during the fiasco. The condemnation/mockery was fairly universal. There have been much worse to hold the HC position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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