Darnell Washington

[whorlnut]

Watch this video and imagine 2 TE sets with Knox. This dude can block like crazy and is an enormous target. Kills 2 birds with one stone. Another target for Allenand help on the line. Would allow knox toeat more in the passing game. Late first target?
 

 

[Pete]

I think the Bills draft a TE in first 3 rounds almost certain.  It’s not a great year for WR or OL, but it’s loaded at TE.  The Bills would be smart to get Josh a stud TE.  A stud TE and stud RB would help out our offense tremendously imo.  And devote the rest of resources to offense and NT types

[Drew21PA]

We really collectively feel the issue is at TE?

 

 

[Pete]

11 minutes ago, Drew21PA said:

We really collectively feel the issue is at TE?

 

 

What QB couldn’t use Kelce?  
TEs tortured our D.

[Simon Says]

1 minute ago, Pete said:

What QB couldn’t use Kelce?  
TEs tortured our D.

But THIS KID ISNT Kelce, yet. Lets wait and see. But at least he would COST less.

[CEN-CAL17]

I’m a huge Georgia fan…. But I will be the first to admit I don’t think Darnell Washington will make a good pro.

 

Hes a huge mismatch problem for mid tier college programs. But I don’t see him being anything special in the NFL. Size isn’t an issue in the league like it is college. He is not quick, slow feet, very methodical. I see him running roughly a 4.8 forty. He’s not going to be a receiving threat in the league. Red Zone? Sure maybe. He’s a Solid blocker and is that 6th OL. 
 

Personally I think this kid is more a potential top 60 talk vs round 1 talk. All my opinion watching him over the years.

[78thealltimegreat]

Here’s the thing Dorsey when he was a Hurricane utilized 2TE with Shockey and Winslow a ton…could I see him utilizing a second TE in free agency or the draft.
 

When they signed OJ Howard I thought for sure they might go that route maybe this off season they decide to implement this with a better option. 
 

If they went that route I’m on the Dalton Kincaid bandwagon. 

[Billl]

Who is the last TE taken in the first round that turned into a star?  For whatever reason, it’s the biggest crapshoot of any position.  I’d never take one in the first round.

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

What QB couldn’t use Kelce?  
TEs tortured our D.

Another TE is a want, not a need though.  We have much more glaring issues than getting another TE, namely the OL and a true WR2.  

 

 

[GolfandBills]

Tank for Bowers 2024 lol

 

[GunnerBill]

16 minutes ago, Billl said:

Who is the last TE taken in the first round that turned into a star?  For whatever reason, it’s the biggest crapshoot of any position.  I’d never take one in the first round.

 

Kyle Pitts will I am all but certain. The down year this year was about injuries and QB play. But he is exception. I grant you that.

[dave mcbride]

10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Kyle Pitts will I am all but certain. The down year this year was about injuries and QB play. But he is exception. I grant you that.

 The numbers say that Hockenson is pretty darn good (60 catches in 10 games for MN; 86 overall). And he produced pretty well in prior seasons. I actually bet DT is sorry they traded him given how good they turned out to be in the end.

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

 The numbers say that Hockenson is pretty darn good (60 catches in 10 games for MN; 86 overall). And he produced pretty well in prior seasons. I actually bet DT is sorry they traded him given how good they turned out to be in the end.

 

Hock is decent yea. I don't think he is a star. But he is decent. 

[Buffalo Junction]

Upgrading TE2 would be excellent. However, I’m not sure drafting a TE is the best route if the goal is winning now. TE’s more often than not take 2-3 years to develop, and tend to be lackluster blockers until the second half of their careers. The guys who are ready day one tend to be top-20 picks, and even then they can take a while to develop blocking skills. If this upcoming season is the concern then trying to get a guy like Robert Tonyan in FA on an affordable contract would probably be a better option. 

[Thrivefourfive]

Please don’t let the Jets draft Bennet. All these balls are spot perfect.

[OldTimer1960]

2 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

We really collectively feel the issue is at TE?

 

 

Additional help for the offense helps make everyone better.  There are many ways to help the offense.  Most want a receiver to challenge Gabe Davis - I agree with that, but if you can’t get one of those an OL would help by providing better pass protection to allow the receivers they already have more time to get open.  OL help would also possibly allow the RBs like Cook and Hines to go into pass patterns instead of staying in to help block.  The idea of this massive TE who can help pass and run block also would help the offense.  

[BullBuchanan]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Who is the last TE taken in the first round that turned into a star?  For whatever reason, it’s the biggest crapshoot of any position.  I’d never take one in the first round.

The last two have - Kyle Pitts and TJ Hokenson. The 3rd is playing in the AFC championship as Cincinnati's TE #1. Noah Fant is the 4th and while not a star to date has been a reliable option. From 2017 OJ Howard was a bust, Evan Engram just finished a career year and will be a major FA target most likely, and David Njoku finished 9th in yards for TEs despite being hampered by injury.

You have pretty high odds of getting a quality TE in round 1

Pettigrew and Keller suffered serious injuries that ended their careers early.

Olson was a star before them. vernon Davis and Marcedes Lewis (still in the league) before him. Heath Miller was a stud.

Kellen Winslow flamed out in 04 not for a lack of ability and Dallas Clark was a HOF Caliber TE in 03.

So in the last 20 years - you had 2 busts, 2 couple players whose career was cut short by injury, a couple solid players and a handful of superstars.

There might not be a safer position to draft in the first round based on that.

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/positions/te

Edited January 28, 2023 by BullBuchanan

[OldTimer1960]

9 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Please don’t let the Jets draft Bennet. All these balls are spot perfect.

It’s a highlight video, of course most of the passes shown are right on the money.

[Buffalo Boy]

2 hours ago, Drew21PA said:

We really collectively feel the issue is at TE?

 

 

    Tangentially, It is currently Burrow knob shine season in the national media. Why? Because he has a big target that imposes his will on smaller Defenders while catching everything on high percentage routes. Props to Burrow but quick hitters to open receivers isn’t amazing but it is good football.

    Kinda like a good TE could do for us.

[Billever76]

3 hours ago, Pete said:

I think the Bills draft a TE in first 3 rounds almost certain.  It’s not a great year for WR or OL, but it’s loaded at TE.  The Bills would be smart to get Josh a stud TE.  A stud TE and stud RB would help out our offense tremendously imo.  And devote the rest of resources to offense and NT types

There is a few wrs that would be an immediate upgrade if they are still around at our pick though..

Just now, Billever76 said:

There is a few wrs that would be an immediate upgrade if they are still around at our pick though..

If Bijan Robinson is there in the bottom of the 1st at our pick I would hope we run to the podium...dude is going to be a beast and is an everydown back...you can even line him up in the slot..his jump cut is Barry sander esque

[boyst]

I want Darnell Jefferson at running back as well, dude at a case of the fumbles early on... But by now he's got some experience.

 

... actually come to think of it I think he's coaching the Steelers now.

Edited January 28, 2023 by boyst

[Billever76]

3 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

There is a few wrs that would be an immediate upgrade if they are still around at our pick though..

If Bijan Robinson is there in the bottom of the 1st at our pick I would hope we run to the podium...dude is going to be a beast and is an everydown back...you can even line him up in the slot..his jump cut is Barry sander esque

And I know,I know we shouldn't take a RB in the first round esp with our oline needing attention..But if Bijan is there then he definitely has to be BPA at that spot 

[OldTimer1960]

6 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

There is a few wrs that would be an immediate upgrade if they are still around at our pick though..

If Bijan Robinson is there in the bottom of the 1st at our pick I would hope we run to the podium...dude is going to be a beast and is an everydown back...you can even line him up in the slot..his jump cut is Barry sander esque

He is good, but I would not put him on Barry Sanders’ level.

 

The Bills currently don’t have the OL to take advantage of Robinson’s talent.

[Billever76]

3 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He is good, but I would not put him on Barry Sanders’ level.

 

The Bills currently don’t have the OL to take advantage of Robinson’s talent.

I didn't say he was sanders...just his jump cut reminds me of barry..and he isn't knocked down from first hits..his balance is off the charts

5 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

He is good, but I would not put him on Barry Sanders’ level.

 

The Bills currently don’t have the OL to take advantage of Robinson’s talent.

Restructure of Allen's contract and drafting an ol in the 2nd and maybe even 3rd with a FA signing ol may make it good enough though

[OldTimer1960]

28 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

I didn't say he was sanders...just his jump cut reminds me of barry..and he isn't knocked down from first hits..his balance is off the charts

Restructure of Allen's contract and drafting an ol in the 2nd and maybe even 3rd with a FA signing ol may make it good enough though

Isn’t Allen’s contract brand new?  Probably not a lot of room to do too much.

[Thrivefourfive]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

It’s a highlight video, of course most of the passes shown are right on the money.

Do you like the QB? I do. I think he’s going to be a starter in three years and has intangibles to make a team really good for a long time. That’s all

[Pete]

1 hour ago, Billever76 said:

There is a few wrs that would be an immediate upgrade if they are still around at our pick though..

If Bijan Robinson is there in the bottom of the 1st at our pick I would hope we run to the podium...dude is going to be a beast and is an everydown back...you can even line him up in the slot..his jump cut is Barry sander esque

Bijan will be our pick imo if he there at 27.

 

imo there will be a WR run before our selection.  If Zay Flowers is off board, I’m waiting on WR

[Thrivefourfive]

Oh, the TE. Got to be kidding me. He’d be blessed to have Butch Rolle’s career. We’re really drafting Butch Rolle in the 1st round hahaha. He’s big and slow. So slow. LBs will have no problem tracking him. 
 

Kittle. That’s a complete TE skill set, worthy of a high draft pick. Anyone that thinks this guy is George Kittle is dreaming. 

3 minutes ago, Pete said:

Bijan will be our pick imo if he there at 27.

 

imo there will be a WR run before our selection.  If Zay Flowers is off board, I’m waiting on WR

Nope, not allowed to talk RB in the 1st. Even though the Bills haven’t been able to draft an RB, at all, anywhere in the draft in ten plus years. 

[OldTimer1960]

6 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Do you like the QB? I do. I think he’s going to be a starter in three years and has intangibles to make a team really good for a long time. That’s all

I think Stetson Bennett will be a middling backup, but I have been wrong about a lot of QBs.

[Thrivefourfive]

Just now, OldTimer1960 said:

I think Stetson Bennett will be a middling backup, but I have been wrong about a lot of QBs.

I’m interested. Seeing some Russell Wilson and Brees in him. I know that goes along with his size, but he seems to take command of his teams. That can’t be easy with all the talent Georgia has. He’s more than just an AJ McCarron type of role player. To me

[OldTimer1960]

4 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Oh, the TE. Got to be kidding me. He’d be blessed to have Butch Rolle’s career. We’re really drafting Butch Rolle in the 1st round hahaha. He’s big and slow. So slow. LBs will have no problem tracking him. 
 

Kittle. That’s a complete TE skill set, worthy of a high draft pick. Anyone that thinks this guy is George Kittle is dreaming. 

Nope, not allowed to talk RB in the 1st. Even though the Bills haven’t been able to draft an RB, at all, anywhere in the draft in ten plus years. 

I don’t understand your last comment above.  Singletary has been good, Cook looked very good so far.  Do you mean they haven’t found a dominant 20 carry/game back?  There are very few of those guys in today’s NFL.

[Billever76]

49 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

Isn’t Allen’s contract brand new?  Probably not a lot of room to do too much.

I read Allen restructuring his contract will add 21 m to the cap this year..TV contracts are supposed to be renewed this year further raising the cap....guess we need bean to free up some cap...he has been good at doing that he has just spent it in the defense when it should have been in the offense 

[OldTimer1960]

1 minute ago, Thrivefourfive said:

I’m interested. Seeing some Russell Wilson and Brees in him. I know that goes along with his size, but he seems to take command of his teams. That can’t be easy with all the talent Georgia has. He’s more than just an AJ McCarron type of role player. To me

That will be the question for sure.  I don’t know that he has the high-end arm talent to be a top pro.  He is also much older than most college QBs (25), so you would expect top understanding and leadership at the college level.

[OldTimer1960]

4 minutes ago, Billever76 said:

I read Allen restructuring his contract will add 21 m to the cap this year..TV contracts are supposed to be renewed this year further raising the cap....guess we need bean to free up some cap...he has been good at doing that he has just spent it in the defense when it should have been in the offense 

While I agree that the offense needs help, the last 3 years, Bills really haven’t picked early in rounds.  Picking late, you have to balance best player among who’s left by your turn vs positions you might really want to pick.  I had no problem with Rousseau pick and I didn’t mind Epenesa and Basham picks.  Late 2nd and they are contributing, not stars, but OK.  It can be argued that maybe Epenesa or Basham should have been passed for someone on O, but who?

[Thrivefourfive]

2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I don’t understand your last comment above.  Singletary has been good, Cook looked very good so far.  Do you mean they haven’t found a dominant 20 carry/game back?  There are very few of those guys in today’s NFL.

Yes, that’s what I mean. An RB that can do that. I like Singletary and Cook, but they’re really just role guys who won’t ever win games outright, or carry an offense for a month. I just see such talented backs all over the NFL that are drafted after the 1st (some super blue chippers in the 1st) and it’s frustrating to me that the Bills are not only no where near drafting those guys, but they overdraft RBs that just don’t do anything close to assert their pretense in the offense for stretches.

 

Kenneth Walker 

AJ Dillion

Aaron Jones

Jamal Williams

Pacheco

Dameon Pierce

Ekler

Henry

Stevenson

Harris

Pollard

Montgomery

Allgeier

Rashard White

Kareem Hunt

Elijah Mitchell

 

There’s more. I think all these guys are better than our RBs. Elliott and Gordon and Taylor, Etienne, all top ten draft picks. But the Bills couldn’t pick anybody better than Singletary and Cook and Moss ver the past 6 years. I think it’s embarrassing. 
 

So I like the Texan Rb in the 1st. Something’s got to change. 

 

 

 

Edited January 28, 2023 by Thrivefourfive

[Nextmanup]

What I love about this kid is his blocking as much as his pass catching!

 

1. On a number of those blocks, he absolutely DESTROYS the guy he's blocking and they end up flat on the ground.  He then stands over them and looks down just to rub it in.  He plays with a lot of attitude and edge--that's clear--and I LOVE THAT.
2. And how about that 1 hand grab?  He reached out with one hand, caught the ball in one hand, pulled it in with one hand, and NEVER put his other hand on the ball---just kept running.

I'm afraid we'll skip him and take a defensive tackle instead.

 

😭

[Thrivefourfive]

11 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:

That will be the question for sure.  I don’t know that he has the high-end arm talent to be a top pro.  He is also much older than most college QBs (25), so you would expect top understanding and leadership at the college level.

Yes! I always forget about his age. That’s a major check mark in the negative. You are right. Well, I guess best case scenario for him would be drafted by the Jets, if they don’t trade for Rogers or a bonafide starter, and he destroys White in camp right away. I could see him throwing on time to those weapons, with that run game. Nothing too fancy. 

[Pete]

20 minutes ago, Thrivefourfive said:

Oh, the TE. Got to be kidding me. He’d be blessed to have Butch Rolle’s career. We’re really drafting Butch Rolle in the 1st round hahaha. He’s big and slow. So slow. LBs will have no problem tracking him. 
 

Kittle. That’s a complete TE skill set, worthy of a high draft pick. Anyone that thinks this guy is George Kittle is dreaming. 

Nope, not allowed to talk RB in the 1st. Even though the Bills haven’t been able to draft an RB, at all, anywhere in the draft in ten plus years. 

So say Motor leaves.  Whats your plan at RB?  Josh needs someone to take the pressure off him.  Bills can't run when it counts.  Yeah it's the line too.  I love Motor.  But we could use a RB is fast and that can catch.  A RB that other D has to account for.  A strong running game helps Josh.  Hall on the Jets was going to be offensive rookie of the year before he got hurt.   Cooks and Hines and who else?

[Dr. Who]

2 hours ago, Buffalo Junction said:

Upgrading TE2 would be excellent. However, I’m not sure drafting a TE is the best route if the goal is winning now. TE’s more often than not take 2-3 years to develop, and tend to be lackluster blockers until the second half of their careers. The guys who are ready day one tend to be top-20 picks, and even then they can take a while to develop blocking skills. If this upcoming season is the concern then trying to get a guy like Robert Tonyan in FA on an affordable contract would probably be a better option. 

He would help the oline year one.

[Thrivefourfive]

8 minutes ago, Pete said:

So say Motor leaves.  Whats your plan at RB?  Josh needs someone to take the pressure off him.  Bills can't run when it counts.  Yeah it's the line too.  I love Motor.  But we could use a RB is fast and that can catch.  A RB that other D has to account for.  A strong running game helps Josh.  Hall on the Jets was going to be offensive rookie of the year before he got hurt.   Cooks and Hines and who else?

The Texas kid. I think drafting him would improve the offense as much as drafting an OL or WR, who aren’t guarantees either. But my whole premise for drafting a RB in the first is because they haven’t been able to hit on anyone, anywhere. Cook is not good enough. 
 

Sanders, Gainwell, Scott, Hurts

McCaffrey, Mitchell, Deebo

Pacheco, McKinnin

Mixon, Perine (who’s a friggin load and a waaaaay better runner and catcher than who we have and had in 6 years)

Etienne

Hall

Taylor

Dobbins

Cook (the brother.. the good one)

Seriously, our RBs are not good enough at all.

 

I keep listing names, but that’s my point. There are so many better RB/RB rooms in the NFL than at OBD. And none of these guys are a reason why their teams may not be winning now. They are huge pieces to winning teams, and/either or the reason their teams don’t suck more.

 

I just can’t understand not addressing the RB position in a championship manner. 

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

He would help the oline year one.

Help the OLine to throw to Gabe Davis and and run slow Motor and small Cook. It’s not good enough.