No trade Mock Drafts

[MrEpsYtown]

 

Not an RB first round guy, but if he's there, I think I take him. Got two linemen I like and a Tremaine replacement. Struggled to find a receiver late. I really like Riley Moss as well. 

Edited February 14, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[Bulldog]

1 hour ago, RyanC883 said:

here is what I got today: 

 

27.

Bijan Robinson

RB Texas

(do I want a RB in the 1st round.  No.  But this guy is a top 10 talent, and will make the offense better, assuming Daboll commits to a running game.  A day 1 weapon for Allen, and the only day 1 weapon available when I drafted).  

 

59.

Darnell Wright

OT Tennessee

(OT who allowed no sacks last year)

 

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

(big 6-4 rangy LB.  Edmunds replacement) 

 

130.

Trey Palmer

WR Nebraska

(fast, big WR.  route-tree may be somewhat limited, but that should be fixable) 

 

 

139.

Jaquelin Roy

DT LSU

(Oliver replacement.  Strong and can hold-up blockers and clog the middle) 

 

205.

Nathaniel Dell

WR Houston

(small, fast WR.  Future Beasley replacement if he can develop a route tree.  For now, may be a KR or a threat to take the top off).  

 

 

How does Daboll committing to a run game with the Giants affect our offense, lol ....  

[BADOLBILZ]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Not an RB first round guy, but if he's there, I think I take him. Got two linemen I like and a Tremaine replacement. Struggled to find a receiver late. I really like Riley Moss as well. 

 

 

Right now there are 10 running backs who ran for over 800 yards in 2022 scheduled to hit UFA.............plus another in Joe Mixon will join them when he's likely cut.

 

Probably the most loaded UFA class at one position since the advent of UFA.

 

Bills probably won't be shopping in the top 10-12.........but the next 10-12 producers are all worthy of splitting carries with James Cook and should be $3M cap hit types.    

 

If you get a Kareem Hunt or Raheem Mostert in late March after the first wave is over........are you still drafting Bijan?

 

 

 

[BillsVet]

Only on TBD do fans believe that taking a RD1 RB will work. 

 

Somehow it's a value-added decision that will take the ball out of your franchise QB's hands, diverts resources from the OL and WR, and means your 2nd round pick from last year has fewer touches.  

 

Did taking Spiller with Marshawn and Fred on the roster not happen?  That's be a straight-up Buddy Nix level duncery-type call. 

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

Right now there are 10 running backs who ran for over 800 yards in 2022 scheduled to hit UFA.............plus another in Joe Mixon will join them when he's likely cut.

 

Probably the most loaded UFA class at one position since the advent of UFA.

 

Bills probably won't be shopping in the top 10-12.........but the next 10-12 producers are all worthy of splitting carries with James Cook and should be $3M cap hit types.    

 

If you get a Kareem Hunt or Raheem Mostert in late March after the first wave is over........are you still drafting Bijan?

 

 

 

Honestly I don’t want them to spend on an RB. I would not like drafting an RB in a round 1, but at 27, if this guy is Taylor/Barkley you get some elite production for dirt cheap. I am a no RB, RT, IOL guy in the first round unless that guy is elite. 
 

The way the board fell in that mock, WR were gone and I wasn’t taking a guard. Not ideal, but I could live with it if he is that special. 

[MrEpsYtown]

As I do these, the receivers always seem to get snatched up. I keep winding up with a DE, LT, DB or Bijan.

[Billz4ever]

15 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Honestly I don’t want them to spend on an RB. I would not like drafting an RB in a round 1, but at 27, if this guy is Taylor/Barkley you get some elite production for dirt cheap. I am a no RB, RT, IOL guy in the first round unless that guy is elite. 
 

The way the board fell in that mock, WR were gone and I wasn’t taking a guard. Not ideal, but I could live with it if he is that special. 

Robinson is a top 5 talent in this draft.  He's the only back I'd consider taking this entire draft.  If he's there at 27 I think we have to take him.   At 27, what true first round talent is still going to be there?  Very few, if any WRs are true first rounders in this draft IMO.  I think we can still get a good WR in the second and good OL help in the 3rd and 4th.  I don't personally think Robinson is going to be there for us to take at 27 anyway, but there's still a possibility even if small.

 

If there's not true first round talent when we're up, I've open to the idea of even trading out of the first and trying to get into the early second. I think we can still get our WR and our OL needs filled and get another pick in the process.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Billz4ever

[Trust The Process]

[Norcalbillsfan]

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Not an RB first round guy, but if he's there, I think I take him. Got two linemen I like and a Tremaine replacement. Struggled to find a receiver late. I really like Riley Moss as well. 

I've pounded the table for years to not pick RBs in the first and don't pay RBs. But after watching the playoffs/superbowl and what Hall did for the jets. A weapon like Robinson changes my stance. I don't care about past picks, Robinson might be the closest to a saquon prospect we've seen. And he's better than Breece Hall. I'd take Robinson and draft upside WRs and Oline with every pick after.

Edited February 14, 2023 by Norcalbillsfan

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, MrEpsYtown said:

As I do these, the receivers always seem to get snatched up. I keep winding up with a DE, LT, DB or Bijan.

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

[MrEpsYtown]

26 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

Yeah I would do that deal. A cost controlled player like that across from Diggs is a great fit. The Broncos dont have a pick u til the third round, so maybe there is a deal to be had there somewhere. I think Juedy is ready to break out. 

[Dan in Owego]

29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

Man i would be tempted to pull the trigger on that one, Jeudy was my favorite of the recent crop of Bama receivers.

 

But yes i would like to know what's held him back, attitude or systems quarterback. If it's the later he is a supreme talent i believe.

[dave mcbride]

2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

Honest question because I don’t know: is Jeudy actually any good?

[MrEpsYtown]

34 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Honest question because I don’t know: is Jeudy actually any good?

Its tough to tell. A lot of flashes. He’s had multiple OCs and some really awful qb play, including a terrible Wilson this year. He’s an excellent route runner, has deep speed, makes contested catches. He was pretty much their number 1 this year. I think there is more in there ready to bust open, but he needs to be unleashed. 

Edited February 15, 2023 by MrEpsYtown

[philholbroo]

[philholbroo]

 

My Selections

27

Jaxon Smith-Njigba

WR | Ohio State

59

John Michael Schmitz

IOL | Minnesota

91

Chris Smith II

S | Georgia

130

Owen Pappoe

LB | Auburn

139

Karl Brooks

DL | Bowling Green

205

Payne Durham

TE | Purdue

[John from Riverside]

15 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Not an RB first round guy, but if he's there, I think I take him. Got two linemen I like and a Tremaine replacement. Struggled to find a receiver late. I really like Riley Moss as well. 

If you’re going best player available at the time that you pick this a good draft

[MrEpsYtown]

3 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

If you’re going best player available at the time that you pick this a good draft

 

This was mostly the case. I skipped the QBs and the RBs in the subsequent rounds after taking Bijan. Many times the BPA was an RB. 

[RyanC883]

22 hours ago, BillsVet said:

Only on TBD do fans believe that taking a RD1 RB will work. 

 

Somehow it's a value-added decision that will take the ball out of your franchise QB's hands, diverts resources from the OL and WR, and means your 2nd round pick from last year has fewer touches.  

 

Did taking Spiller with Marshawn and Fred on the roster not happen?  That's be a straight-up Buddy Nix level duncery-type call. 

 

 

 

yeah, D. Henry is a dud.  So is Barkley.   

 

It's providing another weapon for Allen so he doesn't have to do it all himself.  Also, in a no-trade mock, Robinson is often by far the BPA.  It's better than target positions of "need" regardless of skill, and end up with AJ, Boogie, and Groot.  

Edited February 15, 2023 by RyanC883

[Billz4ever]

19 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

Not quite sure he's worth a first rounder.  Jeudy and the second of their two 3rd rounders is more of what I'd be looking for there.

[Johnny3410]

Not sure about Josh or especially John Michael being available when we pick but I can wish.

 

27.

Josh Downs

WR North Carolina

59.

John Michael Schmitz

OC Minnesota

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

130.

Jammie Robinson

S Florida State

139.

Tavion Thomas

RB Utah

205.

Rayshad Williams

CB Texas Tech

[BADOLBILZ]

4 hours ago, Billz4ever said:

Not quite sure he's worth a first rounder.  Jeudy and the second of their two 3rd rounders is more of what I'd be looking for there.

 

 

I think the market will be a late #1 plus something else.    It's not a great WR draft like when Minnesota traded Diggs so I suspect Jeudy to have a value like Diggs.

 

Giants make a lot of sense and they have an earlier pick and are out of conference.........both pluses for Denver.

 

But if the Bills hire the Denver WR coach they will surely know what Denver really thinks of Jeudy.

[MJS]

What's the point of a mock draft before free agency?

[PetermansRedemption]

1 minute ago, MJS said:

What's the point of a mock draft before free agency?

Entertainment. Some people like to look at them. 

[Victory Formation]

7 hours ago, Johnny3410 said:

Not sure about Josh or especially John Michael being available when we pick but I can wish.

 

27.

Josh Downs

WR North Carolina

59.

John Michael Schmitz

OC Minnesota

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

130.

Jammie Robinson

S Florida State

139.

Tavion Thomas

RB Utah

205.

Rayshad Williams

CB Texas Tech

This is pretty good, from what I know it seems like your first three picks are pretty good but I am not privy with the players beyond that point. John Michael Schmitz really shined in the Senior Bowl, did he not?

[BillsVet]

8 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

yeah, D. Henry is a dud.  So is Barkley.   

 

It's providing another weapon for Allen so he doesn't have to do it all himself.  Also, in a no-trade mock, Robinson is often by far the BPA.  It's better than target positions of "need" regardless of skill, and end up with AJ, Boogie, and Groot.  

 

Tennessee hasn't won a playoff game since 2019 with Henry and the Giants have never won in the post-season with Barkley.

 

Problem with BPA for people like you who think in absolutes is that it's not that simple.  I mean it is if you see mock drafts like a fantasy football thing, but there's positional value to using a top-100 pick.  And RB has almost zero compared to at least 6 other positions on the field.

 

I had no issue with taking Rousseau in 2021 because he played a position of huge value (DE) and offered youth where Buffalo had little.  A case could be made for Elam...but a RB is about the dumbest thing you can do with a RD1 pick.  High probability for injury, takes away from your passing game featuring perhaps the best QB in the NFL and will get you no more than 5 yards per carry.  I'd rather focus on players who Josh can increase his 7.4 yards per attempt average since 2020.  

[Johnny3410]

8 hours ago, Victory Formation said:

This is pretty good, from what I know it seems like your first three picks are pretty good but I am not privy with the players beyond that point. John Michael Schmitz really shined in the Senior Bowl, did he not?

Yes he may of moved himself up into 1st round talk.  I would because of his versatility to play center and both guard spots make him my pick at 27.  Although I understand the hesitation to use a 1st round pick on a C/G, in my opinion he is worth the pick.

[Shanahan's Horseshoe]

Bijon Robinson will not get past 20

[LyndonvilleBill]

1 hour ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said:

Bijon Robinson will not get past 20

Awesome!😁

[Yantha]

First shot at a mock, since we officially lost the 5th rounder for Hines.

Addresses the O-line well I think, adds a higher end developmental player behind our aging safeties.  Another WR to compete, from a solid program.

I think we will extend Tremaine Edmunds, but we need better rotational depth.  Overshown replaces Klein.

 

Edited February 16, 2023 by Yantha

[RyanC883]

Today's version.  My fav one yet: 

 

 

Dawand Jones

OT Ohio State

(big dude.  Not only big, but athletic.  Will instantly upgrade the OL.  Day 1 starter.)  

 

 

 

Rashee Rice

WR SMU

(as someone said, we need another #1 WR, not a #2.  Semifinalist for Biletnikoff award.  Can do it all).  

 

 

Joe Tippmann

OC Wisconsin

(would be shocked if he lasts this long, but easy pick here getting the guy I think may be the top center in the draft)

 

 

Will McDonald IV

EDGE Iowa State

(freaky athletic Edge player.  Thought about DT here, but this guy is rated a top 5 Edge by some, and the only DT left from LSU was not a top 10 DT).  

 

 

Ronnie Hickman

S Ohio State

(great against the pass and run.  Great Poyer replacement, IMO) 

 

 

DeWayne McBride

RB UAB

(led the nation in yards after contact.  Here is our short yardage back, so Allen does not have to run all the time--and Dorsey can run it on 3rd and short) 

[BBills_88]

[FireChans]

20 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

I think the market will be a late #1 plus something else.    It's not a great WR draft like when Minnesota traded Diggs so I suspect Jeudy to have a value like Diggs.

 

Giants make a lot of sense and they have an earlier pick and are out of conference.........both pluses for Denver.

 

But if the Bills hire the Denver WR coach they will surely know what Denver really thinks of Jeudy.

Jeudy’s value has to be inflated by the “win now” circumstances around Wilson and Payton. I don’t think Payton is there for a 2-3 development period. 
 

I know they traded Chubb under similar circumstances, but how many trades like that do the Broncos care to make?

[BBills_88]

[Yantha]

Got one more.  This one fell with CB in round 1 that might be "controversial" for a 1st rounder.  But it was the BPA at a position we need more stability with.  I do think Elam will continue to improve, but not sure about White.  Defense wins championships.

 

[Victory Formation]

27.

Jaxon Smith-Njigba

WR Ohio State

 

59.

Steve Avila

OG TCU

 

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

 

130.

DeMarcco Hellams

S Alabama

 

139.

Andrew Vorhees

OG USC

 

205.

Daniel Scott

S California

[JMM]

6 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

27.

Jaxon Smith-Njigba

WR Ohio State

 

59.

Steve Avila

OG TCU

 

91.

DeMarvion Overshown

LB Texas

 

130.

DeMarcco Hellams

S Alabama

 

139.

Andrew Vorhees

OG USC

 

205.

Daniel Scott

S California

This would be a tremendous draft but JSN is not making it to 20 let alone 27.

[dave mcbride]

On 2/14/2023 at 6:34 PM, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

If you can get Jerry Jeudy for that 27th pick..........knowing you have one cheap year and a 5th year option left on him........do you make that deal?    

 

My guess is with there being less sure-thing WR's they might be able to get a higher 1st rounder........but I also don't know how the league views Jeudy or his attitude/coachability etc..

Just looking at his stats, the trajectory is upward: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JeudJe00.htm. 67 percent catch rate and 9.7 yards per target is really good. Gabe Davis was 51 percent and 9 yards per target; Diggs was 9.3. Also, Wilson had a passer rating of 110 when throwing his way. I'm starting to like this idea ... 

 

EDIT: Jeudy was 9th in the league in yards gained per target: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving.htm#receiving::rec_yds_per_g

Edited February 17, 2023 by dave mcbride

[BADOLBILZ]

5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:

Just looking at his stats, the trajectory is upward: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JeudJe00.htm. 67 percent catch rate and 9.7 yards per target is really good. Gabe Davis was 51 percent and 9 yards per target; Diggs was 9.3. Also, Wilson had a passer rating of 110 when throwing his way. I'm starting to like this idea ... 

 

EDIT: Jeudy was 9th in the league in yards gained per target: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2022/receiving.htm#receiving::rec_yds_per_g

 

 

I find it interesting that they interviewed the Denver WR coach.   

 

Any smart GM with a contending team and a WR need has to be thinking about how they can find their version of the AJ Brown deal.

 

 

[Victory Formation]

27.

O'Cyrus Torrence

OG Florida

 

59.

Dawand Jones

OT OSU

 

91.

Jack Campbell

LB Iowa

 

130.

Charlie Jones

WR Purdue

 

139.

DeMarcco Hellams

S Alabama

 

205.

Daniel Scott

S California