cle23 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: They need to keep Elway as far away from the team as possible and then something like the options in here ... https://sportsnaut.com/denver-broncos-russell-wilson-mistake/ Elway isn't part of the front office anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gordon Lightfoot said: Then you never saw Hank Bullough Nah, was still too young to pay that much attention back then. I remember Dick Jauron very well though. He's gotta rank up there pretty high as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said: What does firing a coach mid-season accomplish? Send a message. Boost morale and give the team something to look forward to. The Jeff Saturday effect? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said: Nah, was still too young to pay that much attention back then. I remember Dick Jauron very well though. He's gotta rank up there pretty high as well. Not even close to Bullough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said: Nah, was still too young to pay that much attention back then. I remember Dick Jauron very well though. He's gotta rank up there pretty high as well. Kay Stevenson and Hank Bullough were by far the two worst coaches that the Bills ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Gordon Lightfoot said: Then you never saw Hank Bullough If you had a bad coach Hall of Fame, you could have a wing with just former Bills head coaches. 2 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Kay Stevenson and Hank Bullough were by far the two worst coaches that the Bills ever had. Carl Mauck too. Edited December 26, 2022 by PromoTheRobot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 4 minutes ago, cle23 said: Elway isn't part of the front office anymore. Umderstood, but he is still a consultant to the team and had a big influence in bringing in WIlson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Wilson benched. What a gut wrenching disaster of a trade that was. Set them back years! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Kay Stevenson and Hank Bullough were by far the two worst coaches that the Bills ever had. I remember Kay Stevenson. Maybe because he was so bad, I stopped watching the Bills during the Bullough year. Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BearNorth Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 5 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Kay Stevenson and Hank Bullough were by far the two worst coaches that the Bills ever had. Jim Ringo is in the Hall of Fame, but as a coach was below the Mendoza line 3-20 record. Make that a 50 burger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, Bubba Gump said: I remember Kay Stevenson. Maybe because he was so bad, I stopped watching the Bills during the Bullough year. Lol 1968-1971: Harvey Johnson goes 1-10-1. Jim Ringo goes 7-20-1 Then Ralph brings back Harvey Johnson who goes 1-13-0! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) I take back firing Hackett after week 18 back. He should not be let back on the team flight. Edited December 26, 2022 by Bubba Gump Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T&C Posted December 26, 2022 Author Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 minute ago, PromoTheRobot said: 1968-1971: Harvey Johnson goes 1-10-1. Jim Ringo goes 7-20-1 Then Ralph brings back Harvey Johnson who goes 1-13-0! And then Kay... great dude but.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) Lmao!! They should leave Hackett out in LA. Their defense finally just quit on their putrid offense. Edited December 26, 2022 by Big Turk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Decobie Durant was another of my mock draft choices for the Bills 😎 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralonzo Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 29 minutes ago, FrenchConnection said: Kay Stevenson and Hank Bullough were by far the two worst coaches that the Bills ever had. John Rauch tried to convert OJ Simpson to wide receiver. Somehow, he actually did better than Jim Ringo. Bullough lost the team to the point where, when it was rumored that one more Bills loss would get him fired, Bruce Smith addressed the defensive huddle saying "If I catch any of you m*****f*****s making a tackle today I will f****** kill you" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Gump Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) Wow, these clowns on CBS on the post-game show are hilarious. Cowher says the Chargers are gonna be the scariest team in the playoffs. Then follows it up with "and oh boy, watch out for the NE Patriots if they get in. I will never count out a Bill Belichick coached team in the playoffs." And Simms agreed with him on Justin Herbert and the Chargers. Said Herbert throws the strongest, most accurate ball. And then Boomer has to throw in how the Jets still have a chance. These guys are such clowns. Edited December 26, 2022 by Bubba Gump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 2 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said: Dead cap 107m in 2023 LOL Just have to wait till 2025 to cut him and use 1/4 of your cap space on getting rid of him 😂. The only other options they have are to see if the NFL will excuse the contract if he’s dead and if so, take him to the train station or hold a fire sale, try to unload everything for next year, and stack all the early picks possible in 2024 take late round picks for 2023 so they can kill half the cap space by getting rid of him ASAP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 3 minutes ago, DCofNC said: Just have to wait till 2025 to cut him and use 1/4 of your cap space on getting rid of him 😂. The only other options they have are to see if the NFL will excuse the contract if he’s dead and if so, take him to the train station or hold a fire sale, try to unload everything for next year, and stack all the early picks possible in 2024 take late round picks for 2023 so they can kill half the cap space by getting rid of him ASAP. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ticketssince61 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Toledo Bill said: They have to fire Hackett tomorrow. What a “run for the bus” effort. Why wait til tomorrow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 7 hours ago, Chicken Boo said: What does firing a coach mid-season accomplish? Send a message. Boost morale and give the team something to look forward to. Weird thing is this: up until the Christmas Day fiasco, the Broncos had played hard (excepting Wilson, who's played like a man who's hurt, or a man who's afraid of getting hurt, or both). The offense has been a disaster all season, but the defense showed up every week. Today? After the bad start they just gave up. So the only thing Hackett had to fall back on this year - the "at least they're still playing hard for him" - is no longer the case. I think they let him coach thru next week so they don't hang a KC blowout on the interim guy, but I'd expect to see him gone even before black Monday. As for Wilson: he played kind of like the old Russell Wilson 2 weeks ago, and it ended with a concussion. Today: scared. Took 5 sacks, didn't run past the line of scrimmage at all. There's nothing the Broncos can do now other than try to squeeze a modest rebound out of him while they go maybe 6-11 or 7-10 next year, or move on from him with a colossal dead cap hit and a team of essentially replacement level players, trading away anyone of value, and bottoming out Lions pre-Stafford style. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 (edited) 16 hours ago, Roy Hobbs said: Umderstood, but he is still a consultant to the team and had a big influence in bringing in WIlson. I follow Benjamin Allbright, he is a Broncos reporter and is pretty straight forward. He said earlier in the season that Elway is rarely even at the facility and has little to no influence on the day to day decisions. Several others have reported the same. Edited December 26, 2022 by cle23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 6 minutes ago, cle23 said: I follow Benjamin Allbright, he is a Broncos reporter and is pretty straight forward. He said earlier in the season that Elway is rarely even at the facility and has little to no influence on the day to day decisions. Several others have reported the same. https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver In section #2 ... "Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver In section #2 ... "Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle." True. He did "oversee" the 2019 draft. Last I checked, it's now 2022 ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheFunPolice Posted December 26, 2022 Share Posted December 26, 2022 Imo Hackett knows he's done and has stopped really prepping for games. It's the only thing that makes sense No way that Denver roster is so bad that they get blown out by the Rams based on talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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cle23 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/26/2022 at 12:08 PM, Roy Hobbs said: https://twsn.net/2022/12/john-elway-russell-wilson-and-nathaniel-hackett-should-be-all-be-done-in-denver In section #2 ... "Elway would oversee a deal that saw quarterback Drew Lock, tight end Noah Fant, 2021 sacks leader Shelby Harris, two first-round, two second-round, and a fifth-round draft pick go to Seattle." Right. Some random article online, or a reporter who works in the building and has a history of being right. George Patton is the GM. He has final roster authority. Per Allbright about 2 hours ago: "John Elway is not in charge, and hasn't been in years." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, cle23 said: Right. Some random article online, or a reporter who works in the building and has a history of being right. George Patton is the GM. He has final roster authority. Per Allbright about 2 hours ago: "John Elway is not in charge, and hasn't been in years." Elway is listed as a consultant to the team - you don't have to be in charge to provide advice to the current GM. What position did Elway play ? You don't think it was a group decision to bring Wilson in and sell the farm ? And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WotAGuy Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 On 12/25/2022 at 7:23 PM, PromoTheRobot said: 1968-1971: Harvey Johnson goes 1-10-1. Jim Ringo goes 7-20-1 Then Ralph brings back Harvey Johnson who goes 1-13-0! That was John Rauch not Ringo. Ringo took over after Saban left for the second time in the mid 70s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: Elway is listed as a consultant to the team - you don't have to be in charge to provide advice to the current GM. What position did Elway play ? You don't think it was a group decision to bring Wilson in and sell the farm ? And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... The Paton thing was an autocorrect. So yes, George PATON is GM. Did they ask Elway? Sure, I'm sure they did. Your previous article said "Elway would oversee" the trade, and completely left Paton out. He wasn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. Edited December 28, 2022 by cle23 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seventeen Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 5 minutes ago, cle23 said: The Paton thing was an autocorrect. So yes, George PATON is GM. Did they ask Elway? Sure, I'm sure they did. Your previous article said "Elway would oversee" the trade, and completely left Paton out. He wasn't even mentioned anywhere in the article. Just as Beane relies on assistant GMs, scouts and consultants - so does Paton. I have no doubt Elway met Wilson a few times in person along with Seattle management to gauge their interest. Paton was probably along on those trips and ultimately made the final decision on whether to accept Seattle's proposal. 'Overseeing' might have been too strong a word in the article but Elway was definitely involved and assuredly was trying to atone from his previous mistakes as GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Frankish Reich Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 33 minutes ago, Roy Hobbs said: And George Patton is not the GM of the Broncos ... Americans love a winner and will not tolerate a loser. Americans play to win all the time. Now, I wouldn't give a hoot in hell for a man who lost and laughed. - General (Manager) George Paton, upon dismissing loser clown Nathaniel Hacket. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 28, 2022 Share Posted December 28, 2022 1 hour ago, WotAGuy said: That was John Rauch not Ringo. Ringo took over after Saban left for the second time in the mid 70s. Whoops, you're right. BTW Ringo went 3-20-0 in his two seasons. From '66 with Joe Collier through Hank Bullough in '86, with only a few glimmers of competency from Saban and Chuck Knox mixed in, was the Dark Ages of Bills coaching. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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