Jerry Sullivan crosses the line. Comments against women.

[Franco_92]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

Regardless of what you feel about Sullivan as a reporter/columnist (he’s covered the Bills for what, 30 years?), it’s kind of sad and pathetic seeing so many people celebrating the cancellation of a guy for one offensive comment…i just can’t get behind it.  I guess that’s what our society has come to, though.

I'm quite sure that Jerry happily helped create the environment where proles can lose their jobs for countersignalling whatever the whims of the day may be. 

 

He is reaping what he sowed 

 

"B-but I made a mistake, I was on your side all these years!" They will still eat you just as quickly as anyone else Jerry 

[Ray Stonada]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is fair. It was an offensive comment, he deserves sanction, he might even have deserved his firing. But the pile on is unseemly. But it absolutely is the social media driven mob rule. 

 

But the "pile on" is not from one offensive comment.

 

That comment was offensive (and absurdly stupid), but the pile-on happened because he had been nasty, ungenerous and baited so many people for 30 years. I've never gotten over the way he wrote about Bruce Smith in the 90s, when I was a 14 year old reading the Buffalo News over my Count Chocula cereal. I hated this guy then for treating one of my heroes like that. And since, I saw it again and again. 

 

So this ridiculous misogynist statement about "women, be better" (was he drunk?) just confirmed so many people's feeling that this guy is a piece of work, and that they want to be rid of him from the discourse they consume about their favorite team.

 

No one needs his trash negativity masquerading as "gotcha journalism," and this was just the last straw.

Edited December 14, 2022 by Ray Stonada

[Big Turk]

And got fired from three places...

 

Niagara Gazette, WIVB and Lockport Sun Journal all parting ways yesterday with him.

[plenzmd1]

9 minutes ago, muppy said:

the truth is that WITH social media things are Never going to be the way they were before. This dovetails with my previous post. I myself believe in redemption. Mr Sullivan bein fired does not mean he will never work again. He's a writer no one is saying he cannot do that or even something else. He's been bounced from his current employ. What is next for him?

 

*shrugs*

he aint working again in the paid , as in employee, realm. He can join substack and go the Ty Dunne route, but that's about it.

 

In terms of saying this was cancelled over these comments..he was not. He was fired from his jobs as his employers deemed it in their fincial interest to go another way. I would say pre comments, Jerry had a 9-1 unfavorable rating in the Buffal audience. That could  work sometimes, especially back before the explosion of media across several platforms ala "i hate Howard Stern so i listen all the time to see  what wrong thing he says next"...but it aint working today.

 

His schtick finally caught up with him, hes fired. Pretty easy.

 

And btw, i dont believe @BillsFanSD was brining religion into this debate, but just refering back to the old Dana Carvey bit on SNL.

 

 

[oldmanfan]

My two daughters and three nieces know 10x more about football than Sullivan will ever know.  And each of them could kick his ass into next week without breaking a sweat.

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

And got fired from three places...

 

Niagara Gazette, WIVB and Lockport Sun Journal all parting ways yesterday with him.

Did he really get paid by all three place for submitting the same article to each place or did he hold different responsibilities?

 

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

Did he really get paid by all three place for submitting the same article to each place or did he hold different responsibilities?

 

 

 

Not sure exactly...

[muppy]

5 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

he aint working again in the paid , as in employee, realm. He can join substack and go the Ty Dunne route, but that's about it.

 

In terms of saying this was cancelled over these comments..he was not. He was fired from his jobs as his employers deemed it in their fincial interest to go another way. I would say pre comments, Jerry had a 9-1 unfavorable rating in the Buffal audience. That could  work sometimes, especially back before the explosion of media across several platforms ala "i hate Howard Stern so i listen all the time to see  what wrong thing he says next"...but it aint working today.

 

His schtick finally caught up with him, hes fired. Pretty easy.

 

And btw, i dont believe @BillsFanSD was brining religion into this debate, but just refering back to the old Dana Carvey bit on SNL.

 

 

thanks man 🙂 that's great I was unaware dana carvey he's hilarious 

Edited December 14, 2022 by muppy

[Ray Stonada]

15 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

You're entitled to your opinion.  @john wawrow made it clear he was not condoning or defending Sullivan's comments, just presenting a different aspect of his colleague. 

 

Most of us want friends who have our back and will point out our good sides when we mess up in a public way.  YMMV.

 

Thanks for letting me have my opinion!  (Just kidding. I appreciate your posts a lot, but this is a place we disagree.)

 

For me, there is a time to vocally, publicly defend your friends, but it's not when they say stuff this stupid and offensive. That's the time to call them in private and try to help them figure out how to be better.

 

Loyalty doesn't mean trying to stop a friend from being justly punished for actions that offend and hurt people. Including me--this guy is telling me my mom and sister are not smart football fans, and need to be better? ***** him.

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

He's definitely wrong.  There are  tons of male wanna be cheerleaders.  

 

He should just scan TBD Page 1 for proof!

[Livinginthepast]

Really dumb and tactless comments from Sullivan. No journalist/pundit in his right mind would veer off in that direction. Maybe he could have said it in a different way like "woman are too positive and accepting unlike me who is bitter about everything" . Made it self deprecating or a humorous self dig but he didn't. The real tragedy here is if the Bills win a SB , I would love to see Jerry's reaction and his attempt to put a negative spin on it.

[Don Otreply]

3 hours ago, mannc said:

Regardless of what you feel about Sullivan as a reporter/columnist (he’s covered the Bills for what, 30 years?), it’s kind of sad and pathetic seeing so many people celebrating the cancellation of a guy for one offensive comment…i just can’t get behind it.  I guess that’s what our society has come to, though.

    Jerry at one time may have been a quality journalist, he hasn’t been that for quite some time, he is now in effect the guy who yells fire in a crowded theater, face it, the guy has gotten himself tossed out of every “news” organization he ever worked for, this is just one more time. 
 

  What most folk won’t see is that everyone of us, me included,  has done/said stupid things, and have muddled through those moments with little to no pushback, well at least the luck ones, there is an old saying;  “let those without sin cast the first stone” life is complicated folk, Jerry may very well be a good human…, 
 

“Societies that flourish do not reward bad behavior.”  They attempt to correct said behavior. 
 

 

Edited December 14, 2022 by Don Otreply

[klos63]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is fair. It was an offensive comment, he deserves sanction, he might even have deserved his firing. But the pile on is unseemly. But it absolutely is the social media driven mob rule. 

This is a discussion board, this is what happens. We all have an opinion and we make it. It may seem like piling on, but really nothing wrong with it. You play with the bull, you get the horns.

[HereComesTheReignAgain]

Is it just me, or do other people just cringe and brace themselves for the upcoming ignorant rant when they see someone cite "free speech" or "being cancelled"?  

[Beast]

18 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Is it just me, or do other people just cringe and brace themselves for the upcoming ignorant rant when they see someone cite "free speech" or "being cancelled"?  

I don’t know. There are definitely consequences for saying certain things in a public setting. Employers certainly have the right to cancel, or terminate the employment if you wish to call it that, of employees who make comments such as Sullivan did. With saying that, there certainly is a cancel culture feeling about it. If you have followed Sullivan’s career, he has been a champion regarding women’s athletics. None of his opinions have ever reflected or even hinted at being sexist. If they were, people here would have pointed that out a long time ago. Is he a jerk? I think so. That’s just my opinion. And my opinion is also people are celebrating his demise because he’s a jerk, not because anyone truly believes he’s sexist.

 

He made a stupid comment and is paying dearly for it.

 

What do you thing will happen to RG3 for his comment two nights ago?

Edited December 14, 2022 by Beast

[Rico]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea that is fair. It was an offensive comment, he deserves sanction, he might even have deserved his firing. But the pile on is unseemly. But it absolutely is the social media driven mob rule. 

Sully is a rock star, and haters are going to hate.  

[GunnerBill]

30 minutes ago, klos63 said:

This is a discussion board, this is what happens. We all have an opinion and we make it. It may seem like piling on, but really nothing wrong with it. You play with the bull, you get the horns.

 

I didn't particularly mean on here to be clear. 

[BRH]

2 hours ago, BillsFanSD said:

If these folks had been born 40 years earlier, they'd be all aghast about Twisted Sister or Dungeons & Dragons or somesuch.  There's a certain type of person who's just predisposed to being a church lady, and they glom onto whatever the church-ladiest issue of the day happens to be.  In 2022, it's this stuff.

nah, man, this ain’t it.  

[The Wiz]

37 minutes ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Is it just me, or do other people just cringe and brace themselves for the upcoming ignorant rant when they see someone cite "free speech" or "being cancelled"?  

Hot button words.  Just like "woke".

 

Through them around and people get uptight for some reason.

[WhoTom]

1 hour ago, nucci said:

he's not being cancelled. I hate that word the way it's used.

 

Thank you. When people complain about so-called "cancel culture," they often claim that someone's First Amendment rights are being violated. In fact, it's simply capitalism and the free market at work. An employee makes an ignorant comment and the company decides that they don't want their name associated with that individual. It's a business decision - nothing more, nothing less.

 

In this case, Sullivan made an idiotic comment and the newspaper decided they don't want to pay him to make idiotic comments. Business decision.