GDT Thread! It’s here - ELECTION “SEASON” 2022 will conclude in 2023

[KDIGGZ]

5 minutes ago, aristocrat said:

dems gonna be returning some donations 

Good luck with that. I'm sure the $ has been spent. I saw a report that Tom Brady was well invested in FTX

[Chef Jim]

1 minute ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

That's fair, but I think even the philosophy overall is a muddled, inconsistent one. What do you consider it to be? 

 

Simple.

 

1.  Small/limited Federal Government with most of the "power" relegated to the states.

2.  Personal responsibility.  It is your responsibility to create the life you need then working on the life you want.  It's not the government's job to do so.  Student loan forgiveness is a perfect example of something the government should not be taking part in.  As a matter of fact the only loaning the government should be in involved in are issuing of Bills/Notes/Bonds.  The caveat to this if you are physically or mentally disabled.  We must always take care of those folks.  

 

It is, of course, more nuanced that that but those are the two major tenants of what being a conservative means to me.  

[HomeskillitMoorman]

20 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Simple.

 

1.  Small/limited Federal Government with most of the "power" relegated to the states.

2.  Personal responsibility.  It is your responsibility to create the life you need then working on the life you want.  It's not the government's job to do so.  Student loan forgiveness is a perfect example of something the government should not be taking part in.  As a matter of fact the only loaning the government should be in involved in are issuing of Bills/Notes/Bonds.  The caveat to this if you are physically or mentally disabled.  We must always take care of those folks.  

 

It is, of course, more nuanced that that but those are the two major tenants of what being a conservative means to me.  

 

I like what you're saying overall...as long as you're willing to admit that does not actually reflect the Republican party, which it sounds like you're probably willing to do. 

 

I think the Republican party tries to pass it off as those being big tenets for them...but they aren't in reality. 

Edited November 10, 2022 by HomeskillitMoorman

[BillsFanNC]

This is all normal. Stop being a conspiracy theorist!

 

You leftist lemmings lap up whatever your masters tell you.

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

5 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

This is all normal. Stop being a conspiracy theorist!

 

You leftist lemmings lap up whatever your masters tell you.

 

 

 

As you post an article from a site that basically touts being state-run from the Republican side. 

[SectionC3]

3 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Better than what we have now in many cases. More for it if it's all in person except for legitimate absentee ballots.

 

 

You must have missed the second time where I said that fraud, specifically with mail in ballots is nearly impossible to prove. Which again is the whole point of why bad actors want more of it and why people who want honest, transparent elections want less of it.

 

And there were extensive investigations? The most investigations ever? Really?

 

Because I recall the DHS in November 2020, just days aftet the election, telling us that the election was the most secure election in US history.

 

Case closed. Shut up if you dare question it.

 

That was a really quick extensive investigation. Especially for the government. 

 

Can you link us to the report that they released showing us how super duper extra secure everything was?

 

Can you prove it was insecure, and that any such insecurity affected the result?  

[Coffeesforclosers]

42 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I like what you're saying overall...as long as you're willing to admit that does not actually reflect the Republican party, which it sounds like you're probably willing to do. 

 

I think the Republican party tries to pass it off as those being big tenets for them...but they aren't in reality. 

 

Agreed.  There is no party of limited government. Just a party of big government, and a party that hopes I'm dumb enough to think small government and limited government are the same thing. 

 

[SectionC3]

1 hour ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I think you're confusing conservatives with the Republican party of today.   As a matter of fact you even referred to the "conservative party".  Conservativism is not a political party it's a philosophy.  

It’s a party in NYS.  And I totally agree with you if you’re suggesting that today’s Republican Party is not conservative.  

[BillsFanNC]

4 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

As you post an article from a site that basically touts being state-run from the Republican side. 

 

Is it normal for us to not have results from Arizona on Thursday at 4 pm eastern let alone possibly not until next week?

 

Yes or no?

 

And "state run from the Republican side" means what exactly?

 

You realize the current administration has admitted to coordinating with social media platforms on what should be flagged as disinformation and misinformation, right?

Edited November 10, 2022 by BillsFanNC

[Sundancer]

1 hour ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Another hack leftist. Carry on.

 

You like to label anyone who disagrees with you as a leftist. How lazy.

 

And you believe in things BECAUSE there's no evidence of them. This is a novel flavor of logic, I'll give you that. 

 

I have never seen a unicorn, therefore unicorns exist. QED.

[Chef Jim]

56 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

I like what you're saying overall...as long as you're willing to admit that does not actually reflect the Republican party, which it sounds like you're probably willing to do. 

 

I think the Republican party tries to pass it off as those being big tenets for them...but they aren't in reality. 

 

The Republican party thinks they stand for those things but they spend us into oblivion as well.  

12 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

It’s a party in NYS.  And I totally agree with you if you’re suggesting that today’s Republican Party is not conservative.  

 

Not even close.  And in all fairness a true conservative would never win an election.  ***** You!! Take Care of Yourselves!!  is not a political slogan that will garner much support.  

[BillsFanNC]

CNN is ok I suppose?

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

19 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

Is it normal for us to not have results from Arizona on Thursday at 4 pm eastern let alone possibly not until next week?

 

Yes or no?

 

And "state run from the Republican side" means what exactly?

 

You realize the current administration has admitted to coordinating with social media platforms on what should be flagged as disinformation and misinformation, right?

 

It's probably next week, and no I don't think that's ideal. 

 

But my issue is you are calling people lemmings and what you posted is from a site that is the same exact thing as what's being influenced on the other side. You're just pushing something from the radical Right instead of the radical Left, but it's the exact same concept. 

[BillsFanNC]

3 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

It's probably next week, and no I don't think that's ideal. 

 

But my issue is you are calling people lemmings and what you posted is from a site that is the same exact thing as what's being influenced on the other side. You're just pushing something from the radical Right instead of the radical Left, but it's the exact same concept. 

 

We've had people on this forum who have called others conspiracy theorists from the very beginning for calling into question the Arizona/Maricopa County nonsense.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2022 by BillsFanNC

[HomeskillitMoorman]

3 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

 

We've had people on this forum who have called others conspiracy theorists from the very beginning for calling into question the Arizona/Maricopa County nonsense.

 

 

 

Saying it's a flawed process is different than saying it's fraud with no real evidence though

[aristocrat]

1 hour ago, KDIGGZ said:

Good luck with that. I'm sure the $ has been spent. I saw a report that Tom Brady was well invested in FTX

If it was a fraud there is a thing called clawback. 

[RiotAct]

19 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:

CNN is ok I suppose?

 

 

enjoy your long weekend, Arizona election workers!

[Big Blitz]

I’ve never been more confident in democracy 

 

 

 

[HomeskillitMoorman]

What happens if Warnock gets over 50% with the runoff already announced? 

[SCBills]

10 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

What happens if Warnock gets over 50% with the runoff already announced? 

Statistical impossibility. 

[BillsFanNC]

32 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Saying it's a flawed process is different than saying it's fraud with no real evidence though

 

I didn't say it was fraud.

 

Neither did the article I linked to.

[SCBills]

 

[ChiGoose]

51 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

What happens if Warnock gets over 50% with the runoff already announced? 

 

It doesn't go to runoff, then. Though it may trigger a recount. And would look bad for the outlets that called the run off.

 

Remember that it is not the states or election agencies calling the races right now, it's the media. Media outlets using their models based on turnout, exit polls and vote tallies "call" the elections at this stage. Nothing is legally official until the states complete their counts..

 

 

[Big Blitz]

I want every D asked “Did DeSantis actually win the governors race in 2018 and 2022?”

 

 

 

[OrangeBills]

4 hours ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

The big thing with conservatives when it comes to abortion is such a huge chunk of them are pro-birth rather than actually being pro-life, and what it reflects about them. 

 

One of the examples is a good percentage of pro-life people are also against gay marriage, which can affect the ability to adopt. You could have a kid that's in a terrible foster home that a loving, supportive gay couple would like to adopt and the kid wants to go there and could be in a stable home, and they can refuse it if they are not comfortable with having gay parents. 

 

Here's what those conservatives want to tell a kid like that..."YOU shouldn't get to have that because of MY personal religious beliefs". It's sickening. It's not about the life of children, it's about control. It's a microcosm of what that party and wanting to integrate church into state is all about. The idea that they want "less government" is the biggest crock of ***** and most young people can see that. 

 

I'd probably consider myself more Libertarian than anything, because I actually want less government involvement.

 

Extremely good points

[dpberr]

1 hour ago, RiotAct said:

enjoy your long weekend, Arizona election workers!

 

That's tolerated incompetence, which I loathe more than the incompetence itself.  Probably highly paid incompetence that punches out at 5 on the dot every day.  

 

Is the 2024 election going to be based on 49 states since Arizona won't get their results in until after inauguration? 

 

This slow roll counting should piss off both parties.   

[SCBills]

2 minutes ago, dpberr said:

 

That's tolerated incompetence, which I loathe more than the incompetence itself.  Probably highly paid incompetence that punches out at 5 on the dot every day.  

 

Is the 2024 election going to be based on 49 states since Arizona won't get their results in until after inauguration? 

 

This slow roll counting should piss off both parties.   

THIS 👏🏼 IS 👏🏼 WHAT 👏🏼 DEMOCRACY 👏🏼 LOOKS 👏🏼 LIKE 👏🏼 

 

If you would’ve just renewed your NYT and WaPo subscriptions, you’d realize that this is totally normal and counting all the ballots in a timely manner is what the Russian bots want. 

[JaCrispy]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

THIS 👏🏼 IS 👏🏼 WHAT 👏🏼 DEMOCRACY 👏🏼 LOOKS 👏🏼 LIKE 👏🏼 

 

If you would’ve just renewed your NYT and WaPo subscriptions, you’d realize that this is totally normal and counting all the ballots in a timely manner is what the Russian bots want. 

Really? Because I heard more suitcases full of ballots will be arriving at the back door after midnight…😉

[SCBills]

Nevada is doing a bang up job eliciting confidence today.  
 

Clarke County officials snapping at reporters 

 

Washoe County, not to be outdone..

 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

I've spoken to many people that said the Left went crazy but they would never vote for Trump.

So you're saying you've spoken to me.

Good point. We do need a rebalancing. It was always said that American politics (as opposed to many European countries) is played between the 40 yard lines. After the last 10 years or so, I'd like to see us go back to that model.

[KDIGGZ]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

 

Lol at Pennsylvania. Dems basically said we are shutting down your energy industry and they are like sounds great we didn't want to have jobs anyways! Let's vote for the guy with possible brain damage (not making fun of his impairment but rather pointing out that healthwise he is unfit for office)

[SCBills]

13 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lol at Pennsylvania. Dems basically said we are shutting down your energy industry and they are like sounds great we didn't want to have jobs anyways! Let's vote for the guy with possible brain damage (not making fun of his impairment but rather pointing out that healthwise he is unfit for office)

I get the whole “why are you voting against your own interests” stuff… and it used far too often…. But this is a fantastic example of it.  
 

Dems have literally told PA to get rekt when it comes to their energy industry. 
 

They instead voted for abortion (why?.. Shapiro as Gov will help set abortion policy) and, according to 60% of their electorate, against a man who wants to protect their industry because he’s from out of state.  
 

It is what it is.  I get it.  But they truly voted against their self interests by electing Fetterman, unless he pulls a Manchin and bucks his party on energy. 

[Sundancer]

16 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lol at Pennsylvania. Dems basically said we are shutting down your energy industry and they are like sounds great we didn't want to have jobs anyways! Let's vote for the guy with possible brain damage (not making fun of his impairment but rather pointing out that healthwise he is unfit for office)

Alternative view. They said no thank you to a complete lunatic gov candidate and no thank you to a quack doctor from New Jersey. The GOP slate in PA was an embarrassment. If the two men who came in second in the primaries had won them, there would certainly be. GOP senator and maybe a governor. But they put up terrible candidates. 

[KDIGGZ]

7 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Alternative view. They said no thank you to a complete lunatic gov candidate and no thank you to a quack doctor from New Jersey. The GOP slate in PA was an embarrassment. If the two men who came in second in the primaries had won them, there would certainly be. GOP senator and maybe a governor. But they put up terrible candidates. 

I can understand that counter argument. Missed opportunity I suppose but either way the people of Pennsylvania lose

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

28 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:

Lol at Pennsylvania. Dems basically said we are shutting down your energy industry and they are like sounds great we didn't want to have jobs anyways! Let's vote for the guy with possible brain damage (not making fun of his impairment but rather pointing out that healthwise he is unfit for office)

 

10 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Alternative view. They said no thank you to a complete lunatic gov candidate and no thank you to a quack doctor from New Jersey. The GOP slate in PA was an embarrassment. If the two men who came in second in the primaries had won them, there would certainly be. GOP senator and maybe a governor. But they put up terrible candidates. 

 

as often, provided rational and open minded thinking, Both of these can be 100% agreed and true. 

[SCBills]

17 minutes ago, Sundancer said:

Alternative view. They said no thank you to a complete lunatic gov candidate and no thank you to a quack doctor from New Jersey. The GOP slate in PA was an embarrassment. If the two men who came in second in the primaries had won them, there would certainly be. GOP senator and maybe a governor. But they put up terrible candidates. 

Abortion and Oz being out of state is what exit polls show got Fetterman elected. 
 

Fetterman as Senator doesn’t drive state abortion laws.  
 

They can vote for Shapiro and Oz…

 

Shapiro sets abortion policy through the state legislature in PA.  
 

Oz protects their energy industry.  
 

Instead they voted for Fetterman, who’s party has openly declared war on a huge part of PA’s economy.   He’s going to need to be a Manchin type on energy or PA just screwed themselves.  

[Demongyz]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Nevada is doing a bang up job eliciting confidence today.  
 

Clarke County officials snapping at reporters 

 

Washoe County, not to be outdone..

 

 

 

I'm going to cruse over there and slap them about a bit.  Damn cheaters.

 

Also, I really doubt any shenanigans in Washoe.  This isn't Las Vegas.

[L Ron Burgundy]

Boebert is up now.  Still not won but sheesh.  Embarrassing for everyone. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

They instead voted for abortion (why?..

Because this topic ***** matters. 
 

in 2022 girls who get pregnant that aren’t ready or willing to be mothers need the ability to opt out. 
 

Impregnation is a very crude biological process.  See food chain. This isn’t some Divinely miraculous moment where gods hands smushes a sperm into an egg.
 

A hornet in my attic has life, was spraying equal to abortion? 

 

As for those devout Catholics that live by the book, own it, don’t eat shrimp, and enjoy that you will not burn in hell, but stop insisting everyone else follow your rules. 
 

this one topic has allowed a lot of lousy underperforming politicians jobs and probably kept good ones out to.

 

Abortion need to become a religious topic, not a policy topic. 

[SCBills]

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Because this topic ***** matters. 
 

in 2022 girls who get pregnant that aren’t ready or willing to be mothers need the ability to opt out. 
 

Impregnation is a very crude biological process.  See food chain. This isn’t some Divinely miraculous moment where gods hands smushes a sperm into an egg.
 

A hornet in my attic has life, was spraying equal to abortion? 

 

As for those devout Catholics that live by the book, own it, don’t eat shrimp, and enjoy that you will not burn in hell, but stop insisting everyone else follow your rules. 
 

this one topic has allowed a lot of lousy underperforming politicians jobs and probably kept good ones out to.

 

Abortion need to become a religious topic, not a policy topic. 

Calm down and re-read what I said.  
 

Also, you just compared human life to a hornet.. 
 

Senators don’t set abortion policy. 
 

It’s state policy.  Remember that little thing the Supreme Court did over the summer?  
 

Shapiro, I’m quite sure, will set a generous abortion policy in PA. 
 

Edited November 11, 2022 by SCBills