Bills trade for Nyheim Hines

[zow2]

Lots of Singletary talk here but i don’t see anything changing for this season.  And to be honest all i care about right now is this season.  They will need Motor to be playing well if they want a good crack at the Lombardi trophy. and of course Hines will be given touches, i think Cook will be inactive here and there, barring injuries.

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, fergie's ire said:

He can return kicks, line up in the slot, has the speed and elusiveness to run gadget plays....  Seems like he has a lot of the same skill set as McKenzie.  Makes me wonder if there is a wide receiver out there on the street we could sign, maybe someone who has been injured, it would allow us to cut him to make room.  Sometimes feel as if coaches have lost faith in McKenzie and could move on.

 

I think fans have lost more faith in McKenzie than coaches.  But we'll see.

[familykwi]

6 hours ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:

Dolphins beat us by 2 at home with us missing 5 offensive linemen and our entire starting secondary.  They really need some coverage linebackers kind of odd seeing them go pass rusher 

If you can acquire a quality pass rushers, you do it!  They don't grow on trees and they aren't available that often.

[Beck Water]

8 minutes ago, JerseyBills said:

Absolutely.  They must not trust the rookie Cook and get rid of a useless RB in Moss and a 6th rder for a legit RB2 in a SB or Bust year. 

Likely a half year rental but I agree that Cook can't be trusted in big moments, with his early fumbles. Might as well grab a vet and not risk it

 

Geez, the guy fumbled 1 time, in his first game, now it's "fumbles".  You guys are a tough crowd.

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

That's a TD with Josh throwing it

[familykwi]

9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think he's good insurance at a couple of positions in case of injury.  We'll see how it plays out as Hines gets integrated into the offense.  I think he'll start out receiving punts, and then work his way into a solid role on offense, possibly about the same as the 30% of the snaps he saw in Indy but with more touches there.

 

 

TBH I think both of these moves (Hines and Marlowe) are about depth after injuries plus a hedge against rookies that may not have won much trust yet with the coaches as with the fans.

 

I think the hole they need to fill on offense is actually Crowders - the guy with the broken bone?

 

Starting the season, the Bills had McKenzie and Crowder splitting snaps in the slot, with McKenzie the "You Will Eat Dust" guy and Crowder the "I will find space and get open" guy.  They had Crowder receiving punts.

 

I think they're not 100% sold on Shakir fielding punts.  He's gone back for 8 in 3 games, with 3 wave-offs and a semi-muff that left us at the 4 yd line vs KC, then 1 nice return and 3 FC.  That's a mixed bag.   McDermott doesn't have the "EASY" button to push and put Hyde at PR this season.

 

After Shakir got a start with McKenzie out, he seems to have gone back to his earlier snap count of ~25% of offensive snaps (McK getting about 50%).  I could be wrong, but I think a significant number of Shakir's snaps have been outside with Diggs in the slot and against more physical DBs I don't think that went too well.

 

Anyway, Crowder's is the vacant role, Shakir has been filling it, and I don't think the Bills want to count on his development to be on the pace they need. 

 

Time will tell and I could be wrong.

So, put Cook and Hines on the field and let one motion to a slot area.

That could be fun!

[Victory Formation]

I love Singletary! If they let him walk I’ll be disappointed. Motor is more of a power back anyways, I see Hines & Cook as one of the same though.

[C.Biscuit97]

Part of me really wants to see what Cook can do but Hines is really solid.

and I know everyone hates Moss but the Colts get a former 3rd rounder and a pick for a cap dump. Fair trade all around. 

[JerseyBills]

6 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Geez, the guy fumbled 1 time, in his first game, now it's "fumbles".  You guys are a tough crowd.

I just think the staff is playing it safe and looking at the playoffs and don't want to strictly rely on a rookie in that environment

 

They were able to retain a veteran rental on a rb2/3rd down RB for a 6th rder and useless RB

 

Why else would they do this on a pass heavy offense??

Edited November 2, 2022 by JerseyBills

[NickelCity]

Big Hines fan. Wasn't on my radar but I'm stoked. 

[NoSaint]

15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I think fans have lost more faith in McKenzie than coaches.  But we'll see.

he was benched last year and might have been playing better at the time without going back to refresh my memory of the games prior. 
 

he’s super fast and can make plays but gosh I can’t think of another player that’s had more disasters per touch in recent memory 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Does not really mean anything for Motor and Cook other than more competition.  Hines has no guaranteed money after this year.  Bills can keep one, two or all three of them, whichever they like and can afford.  For example,  I can see them restructuring Hines, give him some guaranteed money and signing Motor too.  Cook will still be pretty cheap.  They have lots of options.  So I love this, even if Hines proves to be only a rental, a 5th/6th is not too high a price.  Moss is no give at all.

[billieve420]

50 minutes ago, Mango said:

Oh good call. Unsure if Spotrac isn’t updated, but they are reporting zero dead money the next two years. 

Yes so this could just effectively be a rental for the season so I like trade for the Bills. Contract can always be restructured if Hines plays well and team wants to keep him around. I don’t foresee him carrying the ball a ton but see him making bigger impact in the passing game over Cook. Ability to play special teams is another bonus.

[gtw3]

A few rhetorical questions about the trade:

 

Did we get better?     Undoubtedly, Yes.

Did we sell the farm to get better?  Absolutely not.

 

This is a win of a trade, even if we do still have a log jam and some redundancy at RB.   Hines is an upgrade and makes us more dangerous.

 

[MarlinTheMagician]

Hines is only 25 too.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, MarlinTheMagician said:

Hines is only 25 too.

 

Basically 26 but yeah, he’ll be here a few years.

[BADOLBILZ]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

Fans want McKenzie off the field because he’s an incredible spaz at times and makes way too many mental mistakes… not sure about you but I’m holding my breath every time he has the ball in his hands/is targeted.

 

I don’t trust that guy in a big moment in a playoff game or SB.

 

 

Now don't categorize all fans that way...........I got home from the game Monday and I had a notification from screwball going by @MasterStrategist calling me out after McKenzie put up a spectacular 14 yards on two touches.    Man that gameday thread is a den of idiocy. 😂

 

I am a known scoffer of RB impact and the idea of a RB being "another WR" on the field............but Nyheim Hines is electric and far more coordinated than the stiff, hard-handed Lil' Dummy.   No, he's not a $10M/year slot receiver either but the price was right and he gives them more versatility and gets a rookie and hopefully McKenzie off the field on special teams.    He's also just quicker and more elusive in pass routes than James Cook.   Cook is closer to a volume carry RB than him.  They are not redundant, IMO.

[Shake_My_Head]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

LOL.  Even though the ref called that a good catch, he didn't get both feet in bounds.   Nice route and tracking of the ball, though.

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

All great points here. 
 

But regardless of whatever holes Hines might address or not, I think Dorsey wants to create an entirely new dimension for his offense. I think that explains the interest in certain types of RBs like McKissic, McCaffery, and Kamara. 

SPEED Kills!

[HappyDays]

Reading through the thread, do the people who are negative about this trade realize we literally just gave up a 6th round pick? If we draft a player in the 6th round and cut him after training camp no one bats an eye. Even if Hines is somehow a complete bust for us we don't lose anything worthwhile, we just cut him after the season for $0 dead cap. We might as well have gotten Hines for free. Hell I'll trade the 6th round pick just for the privilege of knowing I will NEVER again watch Zack Moss singlehandedly kill one of our drives.

[NewEra]

3 hours ago, No_Matter_What said:

I am confused by this take (not only by you, but many others).

 

Hines' cap hits next two years are $4.8m and $5.5m, and unless I am missing something he can be cut for free. At the same time, I'd be really surprised if Singletary gets better deal from any team. I am pretty sure we can keep Devin for $10.3m cap hit in the first two years pf his future contract.

 

So why exactly are you so sure that we will keep a RB who has not take a single snap as Bills RB over Singletary who we drafted and our QB clearly loves him?

I agree.  I think how the rest of the year plays out will carry some weight into who we keep in 2023.  I think it’s 50/50 atm .  Let the competition begin